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    Hi!..

    Had the gumption to put Brad's P&H on 230 volts !
    It works Great
    I think the HH187 is the best thing going Now-a Days !
    What will it be capable of after half a century ,,,THE TEST OF TIME !

    By the way ..... this is what I mean by welding beyond vision !!!
    Forgot No reading glasses @ Jonco by-focals are for 2-1/2 feet & distance...for bar-work!
    don't sound right ...don't "feel" right ???....finnish the bead to register the info in the brain..

    Opps .... loaded an 1/8" rod .... must have been put back in the 3/16 can !

    That's better finnish the beed to load the info agian .....!
    the more you do it the better it gets , close your eyes alltogether if you want ,just for fun
    it works on low / med / high / H.F. works , but just used a stick ....
    soft start seems no different ...but didn't persist ....
    Brad can take it from here !
    by the way it looked like something big pushed the top in and bent the middel frame over ,

    but didn't hurt the selenium stack .....I mashed the top back into shape .....
    and buttoned her back up for another journey !

    Phil J.

    P.S. the info. plate says output 28 volts ...but the volt meter says 38 volts .....????
    and I looked thru my magnifier so I read it right .....is 38 to high ??
    Last edited by vicegrip; 01-24-2007, 02:35 AM.
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  • #2
    Phil,

    Your welding quality without your reading glasses is probably better than my welding with reading glasses (and yes I do need to use reading glasses )

    I often wonder about all the modern machines with all the solid state components in them. 10 or 15 years from now are those nifty control boards even going to be available

    I guess I'm an old fashioned kinda guy and like the dinosaur type stuff. Or maybe its because I make my living managing a group of PLC programmers and getting out of the high tech world after work just kinda sooths the nerves.

    Thanks again for dealing with me on the P&H. Looking forward to it

    Brad
    ________________________
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    • #3
      Should be good for another 50 years.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by bkahler View Post
        Phil,

        Your welding quality without your reading glasses is probably better than my welding with reading glasses (and yes I do need to use reading glasses )

        I often wonder about all the modern machines with all the solid state components in them. 10 or 15 years from now are those nifty control boards even going to be available

        I guess I'm an old fashioned kinda guy and like the dinosaur type stuff. Or maybe its because I make my living managing a group of PLC programmers and getting out of the high tech world after work just kinda sooths the nerves.

        Thanks again for dealing with me on the P&H. Looking forward to it

        Brad
        just for the record , even the second pic , is not to indicate that ,that would be a weld I would want to leave the shop .....just that with repeating a given movement/timing/angle type thing , and logging it into the brain , a point is reached where the limbs don't need as much coaching from the eyes......and variables are felt as well as seen

        there was still another thing I couldn't explane ....untill today !!

        I was puzzeling over the output voltage when I suddenly reallised 28 or 38 volts ??

        I went and looked Miller 330 _ 80volts ---Linde 305 _ 78volts????
        What the .......

        could be why it sounded different too ????
        more ??s & more ??s

        Phil
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        • #5
          Another great post by Vice, good camera and weld work there. If you are measuring the
          open circuit voltage then the 28-32 might be low, Have your meter checked against a
          standard or other meter. Check the voltage when welding to see how low it goes. Some meters have a hard time measuring DC voltage with a lot of AC ripple intermingled with the DC, It appears that everything is alright voltage wise since you are getting good welds. I would be surprized if such an old machine would have a circuit to reduce the Open circuit voltage like the new welders do.
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          • #6
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            • #7
              Other than a volt meter that wasn't reading right I wonder what would cause the voltage to be so low? Thats strictly a DC welder so the output is coming out of the selenium rectifier. Could that be a sign of a dying rectifier

              It appears the welder has a volt meter on the front, were you using that to read the voltage from?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by vicegrip View Post
                P.S. the info. plate says output 28 volts ...but the volt meter says 38 volts .....????
                and I looked thru my magnifier so I read it right .....is 38 to high ??
                Originally posted by vicegrip View Post
                there was still another thing I couldn't explane ....untill today !!

                I was puzzeling over the output voltage when I suddenly reallised 28 or 38 volts ??

                I went and looked Miller 330 _ 80volts ---Linde 305 _ 78volts????
                What the .......

                could be why it sounded different too ????
                more ??s & more ??s

                Phil
                Originally posted by Brasco View Post
                If you are measuring the
                open circuit voltage then the 28-32 might be low, Have your meter checked against a
                standard or other meter. Check the voltage when welding to see how low it goes. Some meters have a hard time measuring DC voltage with a lot of AC ripple intermingled with the DC, It appears that everything is alright voltage wise since you are getting good welds. I would be surprized if such an old machine would have a circuit to reduce the Open circuit voltage like the new welders do.
                Originally posted by bkahler View Post
                Other than a volt meter that wasn't reading right I wonder what would cause the voltage to be so low? Thats strictly a DC welder so the output is coming out of the selenium rectifier. Could that be a sign of a dying rectifier

                It appears the welder has a volt meter on the front, were you using that to read the voltage from?
                I'll go look again closer but I could swear the plate said output 28 volts , I know the meter said 38??

                what's on the plate on that pretty Ebay P&H ??

                AaHhhhhhhhhh!!!! Wear Me Out !!
                Last edited by vicegrip; 01-23-2007, 02:32 AM.
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                • #9
                  Phil,

                  Were you reading the volts while welding or when idling? When idling it should be reading 68 volts which is the open circuit volts and while welding you should read 25 volts.

                  The P&H that I have reads 68 volts in DC mode when idling or open circuit. I did not read the load volts because I was welding with it outside and the welder was inside the shop.

                  Interesting mystery

                  Brad
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bkahler View Post
                    Phil,

                    Were you reading the volts while welding or when idling? When idling it should be reading 68 volts which is the open circuit volts and while welding you should read 25 volts.

                    The P&H that I have reads 68 volts in DC mode when idling or open circuit. I did not read the load volts because I was welding with it outside and the welder was inside the shop.

                    Interesting mystery

                    Brad
                    I think it's doing what it's sposed to....the meter isn't looking for 80 volts !!
                    Iy was reading 38 volts ideling
                    ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????


                    Last edited by vicegrip; 01-23-2007, 12:37 PM.
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                    • #11
                      Vice does come up with interesting questions. Wonder if the 0-50 meter reads arc voltage only, and is put in the circuit when the welder senses current on the output.
                      Thanks Broccoli1 for the spell check ! Yogi would not be happy if he found out.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Brasco View Post
                        Vice does come up with interesting questions. Wonder if the 0-50 meter reads arc voltage only, and is put in the circuit when the welder senses current on the output.
                        Thanks Broccoli1 for the spell check ! Yogi would not be happy if he found out.
                        Brasco & Vicegrip,

                        The DAR-300 that I have a manual for which is slightly newer than the welder that Phil has shows a 100 vdc meter on the schematic. It shows it connected from the positive side of the recitifier to the output side (negative side of rectifier) of the stabilizing reactor. It should be reading voltage anytime you're selected for DC and the welder is turned on.

                        Be interesting to see the schematic for Phil's welder.

                        Brad

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                        • #13
                          I'll get to the schematic , but it'll be a day or so , need to focus on necessities for now

                          Phil
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by vicegrip View Post
                            I'll get to the schematic , but it'll be a day or so , need to focus on necessities for now

                            Phil
                            Phil,

                            No hurry

                            We're heading out of town thursday morning for my wifes grandfathers 97th birthday (at that age you celebrate everyone of them ). Won't be back until thursday next week and I'm pretty sure we will have minimal or no web access during that time.

                            Thanks

                            Brad
                            ________________________
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                            Linde HDA-200 AC/DC Tig/Stick
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                            • #15
                              The schematic makes sense the way the meters are connected. Thanks for posting the schematic.
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