yeeeehaaaaaaw

[cats_inc]

ok i returned the Hobart210 last night and I'm picking up the
Millermatic 210 tommorrow (very excited here) I've been welding & fabricating for a pretty good while now (bout 14 years) but this is gonna be my first personal machine (well second if you count the hobart I had for 3 days)

O.K. question time
the smallest machine i have ever used is a Millermatic 250 and I'm just wandering how much difference will i be able to tell in the two machines (the 210 & the 250)

Note: I will very rarely ever be welding any thing heavier than 1/4"

[MAC702]

Since you will be within the limits of the machine easily, you will probably not notice much of a difference at all in the actual welding.

You may, though, find it easier to dial in the settings, since you will have taps for the voltage setting, instead of the infinite dial. Many prefer this feature on the 210. Some of us have to fight against the "Dennis the Menace" complex (as it was described here) of turning both dials because they are there, when all we really need to do oftentimes is adjust the wire speed and get back to welding.

[Hobart Expert Darrell]

cats_inc,

Just out of curiousity, why did you opt to return the Ironman 210? Your feedback is appreciated.

Thanks,

Darrell

[Dan]

Originally posted by Hobart Expert Darrell
cats_inc,

Just out of curiousity, why did you opt to return the Ironman 210? Your feedback is appreciated.

Thanks,

Darrell

Darrell

I think this will thread will answer your question.http://hobartwelders.com/mboard/show...&threadid=4404

[Dan]

Re: yeeeehaaaaaaw

Originally posted by cats_inc


O.K. question time
the smallest machine i have ever used is a Millermatic 250 and I'm just wandering how much difference will i be able to tell in the two machines (the 210 & the 250)

Note: I will very rarely ever be welding any thing heavier than 1/4"

One of my machine at work is a MM 250, and I WOULDN' T trade my MM 210 for it. The arc starts on my MM 210 are much better. The short circuit transfer arc (1/4" and thinner material) on my MM 210 is better then the MM 250 arc.

BTW, the MM 210 really seems to love running .030 solid wire in the short circuit transfer mode. Here is a picture of a weld ran with an .030 E70s-6 and c-25 on 1/4" mild steel. This weld is pretty much spatter free. BTW, the settings for this weld are the suggested door chart settings.

[Wheat]

Dan,
You weld better than a robot. Great weld!!! My 4 1/2 DeWalt disc grinder is my great equalizer. Thanks for all the info you shared with us this year...Don

[Scott V]

Re: Re: yeeeehaaaaaaw

Originally posted by Dan
One of my machine at work is a MM 250, and I WOULDN' T trade my MM 210 for it. The arc starts on my MM 210 are much better. The short circuit transfer arc (1/4" and thinner material) on my MM 210 is better then the MM 250 arc.

BTW, the MM 210 really seems to love running .030 solid wire in the short circuit transfer mode. Here is a picture of a weld ran with an .030 E70s-6 and c-25 on 1/4" mild steel. This weld is pretty much spatter free. BTW, the settings for this weld are the suggested door chart settings.

Dan,was it a push or pull weld?I alway love .030 best for low spatter welds in most machines.The MM -185 just loved that stuff.

[gde]

Dan,
I gotta agree with you on this one. I much more prefer my MM210 over the MM250. The MM250 short circuit transfer not nearly as nice as the MM210. I also prefer 0.030 wire as opposed to the 0.035 wire. I also have had better results using copper coated wire. I find the weld bead on the MM210 are nearly perfect every time. This is a very "forgiving" machine and very user friendly. I started on an old Century wire feed welder. When I got my MM210 I couldn't believe the quality of my beads. Cats_inc will be very pleased with this machine and it's capabilities.--Grant

[MAC702]

I find this unnerving. I'm going to be upgrading from my MM175, and expected that Miller's top of the line single-phase MM would be the ticket. But, I expect that short arc of 16-guage will still be a major portion of my work. How bad is the MM251 at this? Better or worse than my current MM175? Is the newer 251 any improvement over the 250?

Should I consider the Pulser?

One reason for considering the 251 over the 210 is the choice of spoolgun. My Trailblazer will work best with the Spoolmatic 30A. I think it would be nice to have the same spoolgun for my MM.

[Scott V]

The 251 machine will lay very nice beads so I would not worry one bit about that.Some people like it's arc better,and others don't.Just weld with both, and see for yourself.Very simple,and nobody in the world can tell you what you like better.Apples,and oranges deal.I prefer a esab over both,and even Dan can't change my mind.

[Dan]

Re: Re: Re: yeeeehaaaaaaw

Originally posted by Scott V
Dan,was it a push or pull weld?I alway love .030 best for low spatter welds in most machines.The MM -185 just loved that stuff.

Scott,

I was pushing the puddle. I very seldom (solid wire) pull a weld. About the only time I do pull a weld (solid wire) is when I weld 1/8" steel with a 120 volt machine like my HH 135. In 15+ years that i ve been welding I ve never had a weld fail. Heck, a forklift even ran into a guard rail that i made to keep people out of the path way of a pallet wrapper. Not a single weld failed when the forklift hit this rail, however a section of the 1 1/2" X 1 1/2 X 120 wall Sq tube sheared into two pieces.

I don t know if you have noticed or not that the door charts on current Miller machines have a wire size high lighted in blue for the different materials that they have on the chart. On the MM 210 .030 wire is the the high lighted wire in each case. Also, if you remember my weld quality suffered greatly when i tried .035 over mill scale, but when i tried .030 the weld quality came back.

[Dan]

Originally posted by MAC702
I find this unnerving. I'm going to be upgrading from my MM175, and expected that Miller's top of the line single-phase MM would be the ticket. But, I expect that short arc of 16-guage will still be a major portion of my work. How bad is the MM251 at this? Better or worse than my current MM175? Is the newer 251 any improvement over the 250?

Should I consider the Pulser?

One reason for considering the 251 over the 210 is the choice of spoolgun. My Trailblazer will work best with the Spoolmatic 30A. I think it would be nice to have the same spoolgun for my MM.

Mac,

I ve ran a MM 251, and it is a major improvement over the older MM 250. Excellent arc starts, and the short circuit transfer arc is a lot better. Here a picture of a weld that i ran with a MM 251 on 1/4" steel with an .035 solid wire. The impressive thing about this is the fact the the test piece had a heavy layer of mill scale, and the weld turn out almost spatter free. Also, you could really see the weld biting in. The older MM 250 most definitely doesn t perform like this. don t worry about the MM 251 it is a pretty good unit.

[echo8287]

Hey Mac I've been using my 251 on mostly 16 gauge tubing for a couple of months now ,works great. I'm not in Dan's league and none of my welds look like his, but they look ok. I've got a spool of .030(never used it), but I've been using .035,and the results are good. In the next few days I'll put that roll of .030 on there and try it for you, I think its Hobart wire. What yall didn't know is Dan has a robotic arm that Miller installed on him awhile back and he has been testing it for them. It looks from those welds that its working out real well.They told him that when the test is compleated they will give him one of those 251 machines to test with the robotic arm. David