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  • Riland 200 AC/DC Tig

    I'm interested in an entry level tig welder. We have an old IdealArc250 at work, and I've played around with it a little bit...and enjoy the results I get....aswell as the ability to weld aluminum. I do quite a bit of Fab work at the house (I've got a racecar) so I'd like to get a Tig unit for myself. I don't have the space or the power supply for a dinosaur like the IdealArc, but an inverter machine like the riland looks right up my alley. I will be working with at most 3/16 aluminum and 1/4 inch steel. I noticed that the riland does not have a watercooled torch....will this be a problem? Also, it is posible to setup a pedal instead of the finger control.
    .....or are there any other "budget" inverter AC/DC machines out there that would meet my needs. I like the $900 price tag on the Riland, there's even one on Ebay right now for $500.
    Lincoln SP175
    Craftsman O/A setup
    TA185
    HT30 plasma
    HF 6x4 bandsaw
    Cadillac 1440 lathe
    Tree 2UVR mill
    HF tube roller
    Bead roller
    Pro-Tools 105 bender

  • #2
    If you can manage to wait a few weeks I'll have a full writeup on a TIG welder nearly identicle to the Riland welder you speak of, except this comes with a foot pedal. Its made by Chiry. Prices should be in the $1000 range. The ones without the foot pedal go for about $800ish+$50 for shipping with minimal accessories(they generally don't even come with a stinger for stick welding). The foot pedal option is definitely worth $200 to me at least. To be honest with you, I think a welder like this might be your best option for the sheer fact it has a very high duty cycle at 200A(60%). Miller/Lincoln/Thermal Arc's all have around 30% at similiar amperages.

    Also sub 200A air cooled torches are generally acceptable. 250A+ most suggest moving up to a water cooled torch. You can always add/build a cooler later on. It might be suggested if you plan on welding at 200A frequently, which would be what it seems like if you plan on welding 3/8"-1/4" material.

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    • #3
      here ya go

      Home > Products > TIG > Syncrowave® 250 DX > Competitive Comparison




      Syncrowave® 250 DX Competitive Comparison


      How does the Syncrowave® 250 DX stack up to the competition?
      Printable Version
      Comparison Chart Miller Syncrowave® 250 DX Lincoln Precision TIG 275 Comments/Remarks
      Dimensions W x D x H" (mm) 23 x 28 x 37
      (584 x 711 x 921) 22 x 26 x 31
      (559 x 660m x 787) Because the Syncrowave Cooler is Integrated, this option doesn't add to the floor-space.
      Weight lbs (kg) 378 (172) 397 (180)
      Welding Range (Amps) 3 - 310 2 - 340 Miller provides a solid welding range at realistic duty cycles.
      Duty Cycle Rating 60% @ 200A/28V
      40% @ 250A/30V 60% @ 225A/29V
      60% @ 200A/15.4V
      40% @ 275A/31V
      40% @ 255A/16.1V Miller rates machines in the UN-Blanced condition to represent more realistic weld conditions.
      Lift Arc™ for DC TIG Starts YES NO Lift arc provides contact arc ignition without material contamination.
      Fan-On-Demand™ YES NO, Fan As Needed Fan-On-Demand only operates when needed, Fan-As-Needed operates every time the output is activated.
      Cool-On-Demand™ YES NO Miller Integrated Cooler monitors coolant flow and temperature to prevent torch damage. Cooler only runs when necessary.
      Torch Detection YES NO Power source detects water-cooled or air-cooled torch. Cooler is only active when water-cooled torch is installed.
      Output "ON" Indicator YES, Blue LED NO Quick visual reference of output contactor status.
      Pulse Control YES, Optional YES, Optional Pulse module is easily installed to the Miller Syncrowave 250 DX.
      Selectable HF TIG Starts YES NO Allows operator to optimize the application according to tungsten diameter, material thickness and shielding gas mixture.
      Adjustable DIG™ YES NO, Dip Switches Miller provides adaptive hot start and adjustable DIG, right on the front panel. The Precision TIG has a FIXED Hot Start and Arc Force that are controlled by internal board DIP Switches.
      Adaptive Hot Start™ for Stick YES NO Provides superior STICK arc starting.
      Meters, Amperage/Voltage Dual Digital Amps & Volts NO, Amperage Only Allows operators to monitor essential variables in a welding procedure.
      Last Procedure Recall™ YES NO Simplifies changing polarity and changing processes. Variables return to previous settings based on process and polarity.
      Arc Hour Counter YES NO Ideal for preventative maintenance schedules and for service/repair.
      Cycle Counter YES NO
      PRE-Flow control YES NO, Fixed Syncrowave provides software control of preflow.
      POST-Flow control YES YES Adjustable to optimize for every application.
      Advanced Feature Adjustments YES, Software Controlled YES, Board Dip Switches Syncrowave provides software controlled advanced features that do not require the operator or technician to remove any panels to access a PC-board.
      Help Messages YES NO Alerts operator or tech. of possible causes to power source problems.
      Warranty Power Source 3 Year, TRUE BLUE 3 Year Miller extends the 3 Year, TRUE BLUE Warranty to the Integrated Cooler. 1st & ONLY in Industry with a 3-year warranty!!!
      Warranty Cooler 3 Year, TRUE BLUE 1 Year
      *Note: All Information is intended to be accurate at the time of publication.
      Printable Version







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      All Rights Reserved.


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      • #4
        Like I said....I don't have the space for 400lb machine, and I'd rather spend $900-$1000 than $2300. I also don't have an 80amp 220V power source available in my garage. Thats why I was after one of the smaller inverter machines. But thanks anyway
        Lincoln SP175
        Craftsman O/A setup
        TA185
        HT30 plasma
        HF 6x4 bandsaw
        Cadillac 1440 lathe
        Tree 2UVR mill
        HF tube roller
        Bead roller
        Pro-Tools 105 bender

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        • #5
          econotig

          its in the 1,300.00 price range, 150 amp though, but will do aluminum, but basic expectations will all you will get

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          • #6
            Originally posted by stang
            its in the 1,300.00 price range, 150 amp though, but will do aluminum, but basic expectations will all you will get
            Last time I checked the econotig had **** for duty cycle, still weighed 200lbs+, and didn't even have squarewave AC. But I forgot, anything that isn't a Miller transformer is crap. Thats why so many people are floating around here with Thermal Arc 185s.

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            • #7
              re:

              couldnt tell ya about a thermal, were a distributor, and our thermadyne sales rep, doesnt even push us to sell them, ,

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              • #8
                Originally posted by stang
                its in the 1,300.00 price range, 150 amp though, but will do aluminum, but basic expectations will all you will get
                Huh??

                View and compare TIG welding machines from Miller. The TIG welders weld aluminum, stainless steel, mild steel and other speciality metals. Learn more!


                What machine are you talking about now.....your last post was about the syncrowave 250DX, which most definately is not a $1300 machine
                Lincoln SP175
                Craftsman O/A setup
                TA185
                HT30 plasma
                HF 6x4 bandsaw
                Cadillac 1440 lathe
                Tree 2UVR mill
                HF tube roller
                Bead roller
                Pro-Tools 105 bender

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by stang
                  couldnt tell ya about a thermal, were a distributor, and our thermadyne sales rep, doesnt even push us to sell them, ,
                  No need to push them. Thermal runs short on stock every once in a while. If you owned one and are on a budget you would know why.
                  Dennis


                  Thermal Arc 185-TSW
                  Millermatic Challenger 172
                  VictorO/A
                  Atlas Craftsman 12 by 24 Lathe
                  Esab PCM-875
                  Wholesale Tool Mill-Drill

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by LBHgti
                    I'm interested in an entry level tig welder. We have an old IdealArc250 at work, and I've played around with it a little bit...and enjoy the results I get....aswell as the ability to weld aluminum. I do quite a bit of Fab work at the house (I've got a racecar) so I'd like to get a Tig unit for myself. I don't have the space or the power supply for a dinosaur like the IdealArc, but an inverter machine like the riland looks right up my alley. I will be working with at most 3/16 aluminum and 1/4 inch steel. I noticed that the riland does not have a watercooled torch....will this be a problem? Also, it is posible to setup a pedal instead of the finger control.
                    .....or are there any other "budget" inverter AC/DC machines out there that would meet my needs. I like the $900 price tag on the Riland, there's even one on Ebay right now for $500.
                    Spend $1700, buy a Thermal Arc 185TSW, don't look back. When you get more money after a few years sell it for almost what you paid for it and buy a Miller Dynasty 300DX if by then you need a bigger machine. JMHO
                    Regards, George

                    Hobart Handler 210 w/DP3035 - Great 240V small Mig
                    Hobart Handler 140 - Great 120V Mig
                    Hobart Handler EZ125 - IMO the best 120V Flux Core only machine

                    Miller Dynasty 200DX with cooler of my design, works for me
                    Miller Spectrum 375 - Nice Cutter

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                    • #11
                      I'll add my vote for the TA 185! Even if it's more money than you want to spend (they can be had for $1705 direct from Indiana Oxygen), it's money well invested! Order it, open the box and you'll have everything you need but the filler rod and the argon bottle!
                      Kiv
                      TA 251
                      TA 185TSW
                      TA 150GTS
                      Hypertherm 1000

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by stang
                        couldnt tell ya about a thermal, were a distributor, and our thermadyne sales rep, doesnt even push us to sell them, ,
                        Somebody should wake his sorry *** up!!!!
                        That is some of the best stuff in the world, even
                        counting Riland.
                        Esab 2200 AC/DC
                        Thermal 211i
                        Thermal Pee-wee 85s
                        Smith O/A plus mini torch
                        Smith machine torch
                        LN-25 pro
                        LF-72 feeder
                        Edwards 65 ton
                        5X10 CNC table
                        Victor A-120
                        Miller Shopmate 300DX
                        S-74D feeder




                        Remember good judgment comes from experience, experience comes from bad judgment.

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                        • #13
                          Thank you BigWig for attempting to answer the question at hand. When I'm ready to by a $1700 unit, I'll check out the TA185....but I can get a Riland (or equivelant) for half the price, and going by the specs, they seam to be comparable machines. I don't know about the build quality of the Import machines...which is the feedback I was looking for.

                          Thanks anyway, and BigWig, I'll look forward to your writeup.
                          Lincoln SP175
                          Craftsman O/A setup
                          TA185
                          HT30 plasma
                          HF 6x4 bandsaw
                          Cadillac 1440 lathe
                          Tree 2UVR mill
                          HF tube roller
                          Bead roller
                          Pro-Tools 105 bender

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                          • #14
                            Re:

                            Originally posted by Sundown
                            Spend $1700, buy a Thermal Arc 185TSW, don't look back. When you get more money after a few years sell it for almost what you paid for it and buy a Miller Dynasty 300DX if by then you need a bigger machine. JMHO
                            you can get the lincoln PT185 for that price, complete package,never had a guy ask for thermal, been there 12 yrs.and we are a distributor , for 6 surrounding counties, but i agree these machines are small if you really get into some bigger stuff, i quoted a dynasty 200 and a 300 DX today, not to bad considering people pay 3-5 grand on crappy used cars, that will last a few yrs, and these machines will make you money.....

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                            • #15
                              re:

                              look guys i do this for a living, thermal isnt up on the list w/ miller and lincoln, esab falls right in behind lincoln , thermal is down there with hobart, on the food chain, its economy stuff, and cheap, no way should a man pay the same price for thermal, that you can get lincoln or miller for, no way, no offense intended for you guys that love it, it work good im sure, but spend wisely, and i would pick that over an import, and there is a reason they are half the price , duh,,,,

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