How to buy a bad boy plasma(Bob)

ITW PURCHASED HOBART IN 1995 SO THAT WOULD OF BEEN 1996-97 TIME FRAME FOR THEIR DEMIST (POWCON)..... IAN AT ARC PRODUCTS IN SAN DIEGO COULD GIVE EXACT DATES.... HE AND I HAD A LOT OF LAUGHS WORKING TOGETHER AND HE IS EXTREMELY KNOWLEDGABLE...............WELL I LEARNED A LOT OFF OF HIM............................. .....................ROCK.............
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[cope]

Planet X, when you start talking PowCon, I start listening. I believe that Miller acquired PowCon circa 1991-92, lost them whenever the ITW deal occured; ROCK will know because he was employedd by PowCon. I believe Arcon will make a good unit.

[Scott V]

Those,machines are not going to be built.Only inverters or hybrids from now on.My truck is 37 years old,and I am really happy about that.It just has to cost them less to build a inverter then what you want.They also sell inverters for more money so I don't think your dream machine will ever happen.It's exactly like your truck they don't build them anymore either.

[Planet X]

Originally posted by Scott V
Hey Planet X,could yours be far behind?You got to watch the bad ju-ju.

http://hobartwelders.com/mboard/show...&threadid=1529

Hah some key differences his sounds NEW mine ain't in fact its so well 'seasoned' it might have been made before ITW 'teamed' up with Miller .
Ok not to sure on the manufacture dates- when did Miller 'team' up with Powcon anyway?
Now my understanding is that Powcon only had the piggy back Starcut plasma and I just saw a DC+ Miller that looked just like it on e-bay.
My point...well not sure really but my Spectrum 650 LOOKS like a powcon painted blue and I'm hoping an outstanding engineer at Miller took Powcon electronics and made the stand alone plasma cutter that Powcon would have made during their heyday.
As a side note the Arcon folks e-mailed me that they plan on having a plas on the market in the next six months maybe they will come out with the Oscar De La hoya of plasma cutters the looks and a knock out punch
Ok any boxing fans out there I am not going there its just my attempt at some whit per Scotts previous posts.

Now to continue as a disclaimer I am not meaning to sound negative toward Miller or the ' power of blue' in fact I'm still formulating a plan for getting that shopmaster 300 and here for Rock is why.
1) It looks industrial-read worthy of my $$$
2) I WANT a traditional CV Transformer with gobs of welding power
3) Your marketing people don't know me-see closing statement.
4) My wife + a long list of others say "you don't need it"- bah!

Note to Miller/Hobart/Lincoln/any other welding equipment maker:
1) Aluminum is for beer cans.
2) 40lb spools are NOT to heavy.
3) Computers are for surfin Not weldin!
4) Do not assume I only need a welder to fix my lawnmower.
5 I drive a 27 year old rig by choice w/ more HP than it 'needs'
6) Utility companys are not free enterprise entitys -relates to 3-phase power
7) Welding Companys/corporations are-to some extent "IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME"

What ? a single phase traditional transformer CV with slope/inductance of pre 1999 delta weld power sources that has the 'juice' and gets 'on' it.

Er what were we b.s.ing about......

[Scott V]

Hey Planet X,could yours be far behind?You got to watch the bad ju-ju.

http://hobartwelders.com/mboard/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1529

[deere_x475guy]

Your right about always can turn it down. And I know the draw backs of O/A as I have been doing that for years now. Thats why I know most of the benefits of a plasma cutter...

Have fun with your new purchase....Sounds great.

I am hoping to get my 98/2 mix this eve and tryout the spray transfer. Sure would be handy to have someone in the area that knows how its done. I am sure between Will, Aaron and myself we will eventually get it figured out.

Bob

[Scott V]

Planet X,this baby cuts like that star-trek phazer,so that's why it looks that way.I like the toughness of the case,but I really don't plan on entering into a beauty contest soon.Those will be won by the Miller Machines.But in a heavyweight fight there is no doubt about it the Esab would knock out any portable machines out there.

Bob,let me tell you one the there is no substitute for a long arc length for lots of things.Let me know how your O/A setup does on 1 inch aluminum,or stainless.You have to remember I just had a 70 amp machine so I know what it will do.Sometimes speed is real important then messing around heating up the metal by trying to cut something with not enough amps.Once you get yours,and use it,you just might say boy if the arc length was longer it sure would be easier.You will find other uses than flat plate.Also the A/O setup,might not be the best thing to use with a long flame.O/A is great,but it's not the whole story.How about some gouging with one.Ever use a small machine for that?I try to use a shear for most plate or bar anyway.

Bob look at like welders,you can alway turn it down,but you can't alway turn a little one up.

[Arbo]

Did you say Scott, or Spock?

[cope]

Originally posted by Planet X


Like this?


Or maybe a lunch pail


Don't Worry Scott V, these pics won't be up to long as I'm moving and will have to change providers-just trying to gets some $$$ worth out've em before I do.

Hey, is one of those guys Scott?

[Planet X]

Originally posted by Franz
SHOOT, I was thinkin they made them yellow housings from recycled stolen rural mailboxes, and recycled melted down milk jugs.

Like this?


Or maybe a lunch pail


Don't Worry Scott V, these pics won't be up to long as I'm moving and will have to change providers-just trying to gets some $$$ worth out've em before I do.

[Franz]

SHOOT, I was thinkin they made them yellow housings from recycled stolen rural mailboxes, and recycled melted down milk jugs.

[Planet X]

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AH I THINK I WAS THERE........... I WAS ABLE TO CONVERSE WITH ALL TYPES OF EXPERTS....................NO SCOTTV I WAS NOT CARRYING ON A CONVERSATION WITH MYSELF.......... ..... GOT YOU DIDN'T I........... ....... FROM PROFESSORS ON METALURGY (OHIO STATE TYPE) TO TWO KIDS FROM IRELAND COMPETING IN THE AWS WELD OFF SCHOLARSHIP............... TO A GENTLEMEN FROM TEXAS WHO SET ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE AMERICAN WELDING SOCIETY........................ AND I WOULD OF SPENT TIME TALKING TO BOB (OR ANYONJE ELSE) HAD HE BEEN THERE WEDNESDAY WHEN I WAS THERE.................. AH BUT I LIKE TO TALK A LOT ANYWAY.................. THEIR WERE QUITE A FEW EXPERTS THERE CONDUCTING BUSINESS.................SEE YA....... ROCK............................
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[deere_x475guy]

Well Scott, when I eventually get the plasma cutter it won't be one thats going to cut 2". If I ever wanted to cut 2" stuff I would fire up the oxy/act. I talked to alot of people at the AWS show and they (not just vendors but people that owned their own shops) said to get a machine that would cut up to 7/8" and use oxy/act for the rest.

Bob

[Scott V]

Bob,let me know how you new plasma works on two inch stuff.