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    As many of you know, I've been having "issues" with my MM251 (see HERE for the full details).

    Everybody here has been very helpful here, and I've learned a LOT about my welder trying to track this thing down. The final verdict was that it needed some professional TLC, so I took it to a local service center.

    Well, they've had it for about a week (the only guy who does welders has been on vacation), and when the guy finally started looking at it, he starts down the path that if there's nothing wrong with it, they'll need to charge me for the service (regardless of warranty), and how it's "borderline acceptable" for the amount of spatter I'm getting.

    This got me a little worried , so I got on the phone with ROCK, and his trusty Secret Agent, Mike just to get the straight poop (this is at about 11:30 local time). Rock says no problem, don't worry about it, we'll take care of it. I tell him I appreciate the help, just wanted to get the ball rolling in case the tech has any "issues", I'll call back if I need assist. The Miller/Hobart Team then pro-actively call the service center, get the tech on the phone, and start feeding him scope traces of what he SHOULD be seeing.

    At 12:30 local time I get a call from the tech at the service center, and all of a sudden we've gone from "borderline acceptable" to "bad board". Looks like there was an erratic spike going out about every 12Ms that was the culprit for my problem. At 1:00 local time, ROCK calls to say that new board has been shipped and I should have my machine back on Thursday.

    I ask you: where else can you get this kind of manufacturer support? How often to people go THIS far out of their way to make sure their customers are happy? How many other companies stand behind their products like this?

    I can tell you my experience is that there aren't many service organizations that provide this level of service, responsiveness, or thoroughness. When I find a company that does business like this, I stick with them!

    BTW: Rock, please feel free to pass my # on to any managers I should talk to at your end to make sure you and Mike get raises!

    Regards,
    Herb Geozos
    Happy Miller Customer
    It's all fun and games until somebody gets shot in the leg. -- Armageddon

  • #2
    And that my friends is exactly why I am getting the Miller Plasma Cutter.
    Short Term Memory GONE!!
    Hobby Weldor/Machinist
    Photobucket Shop Pics

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    • #3
      I believe the 625 was around 32 amp full draw...
      Short Term Memory GONE!!
      Hobby Weldor/Machinist
      Photobucket Shop Pics

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      • #4
        bluesman,
        Thanks for all your kind words. This is business as usual for us here, and just the way we choose to do it. We'll make sure your welder checks out good before you recieve it back. This is a kind of strange situation and something I have not seen before and am getting that PC back to check out what is going on. Please be patient, that sick welder of yours is being treated well.

        BTW, my sign on at my home computer is different than the one at work. That's why my user name is different. Just incase you wondered.

        MikeG
        Last edited by MJG; 04-15-2003, 05:57 PM.

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        • #5
          HI,

          This thread and others here illustrate the reason I am CERTAIN when I order a mig it will be a Miller MM210 or MM251.

          Had the price been a little closer, I would also have purchased a Dynasty 200 DX...sorry...but I had to go with the Thermal Arc Pro wave 185...on that one.

          Aweaver...I am putting a 100A sub panel in my shed...just in case I end up welding in there...its 12x12, but I am adding a roof to the side to house my tractor this summer...no walls probably on the tractor side...Looks like you and I think the same on some things...

          Thanks for the continuing GREAT customer support, Miller and Hobart guys!
          Bill

          Near Pgh, PA

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MJG
            bluesman,
            This is a kind of strange situation and something I have not seen before and am getting that PC back to check out what is going on.
            No problem Mike, I'm just happy to finally have a lead as to what's going on. Like my momma always said, leave it to me to be the one in a million...

            Some background though: I've had this problem on that machine since day one. If it gets too wierd or if it's an option, there's a Miller/Hobart depot just down the road from me, it wouldn't hurt my feelings one iota to go pick up a different unit.
            It's all fun and games until somebody gets shot in the leg. -- Armageddon

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            • #7
              I have the same problem with Lincoln, to them whenever we bring a piece back for repairs they always say that its operator error.
              I had a power mig that never worked from day one, it must have went back 4 times before repairs were ever made, they just tried it out and said must be operator error.

              I my area the reps for lincoln come by 1 a month for repairs so you never know who you are going to get, some are good others are salesmen.

              The love hate thing kills me to think you spend great lenghts to get a good machine, and then have someone tell you that there is nothing wrong with the machine and that the way the welds are suppose to look like, when you know there really is something wrong.

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              • #8
                OK YOU GUYS ARE TO KIND.................. THIS IS THE WAY MILLER/HOBART CHOOSES TO DO BUSINESS.......... ISN'T THAT WHAT MIKEG SAID.....................AND THUS IT IS SO.......... THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE ................... .............. SEE YA..... ROCK
                [email protected]

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                • #9
                  Mad as ****

                  After reading this thread it reminds me why I bought all Miller equipment not to mention I also have an outstand dealer in Temecula. Yesterday for a while though I wasn't so sure.Seems my SD180 has been using a lot of gas. I try practicing every day for an hour or so but . A couple times I went down and was out of gas. Once for sure I screwed up and didn't shut the tank off, My fault. Got a bigger tank and went back at it. Next time I don't know but ran out again. Friday got a new tank (280 cu ft) and set it up. On Monday I started practicing. Every once in a while I could hear gas venting. I leak checked every connection again all ok. Then i got to thinking the post flow was screwing up. Sitting there cussin out the welder when it started venting again. I reached over and shut off the switch, venting stopped and I was convinced I found the problem. Disconnected gas, cables cords etc and was on my way to get the forklift to load it in the truck. Befor doing so I had to move my welding table. bent down to pick up the foot control and damm if I didn't hear the gas venting again, looked up in disbelief not 2 feet from my foot control was a larged coiled rattle snake Mad and rattling like you couldn't believe. Well the snake got away under my storage unit but I know where he is and he won't be their for long. Thankfully I didn't have to embarass my self, the dealer or even Rock trying to find a problem that doesn't exist. Next time I hear my gas vent I'll grab the rifle when I start looking.
                  Harold
                  Craftsman Colormatic AC
                  Victor Journyman Setup
                  Syncrowave 180 SD
                  MM210 With Spoolgun
                  Dynasty 200 DX
                  Spectrum 625 Plasma Cutter
                  Miller HD Tape Measure

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                  • #10
                    Maybe the snake was just learning how to weld!!

                    So what is the reason for the quick gas loss??
                    AtoZ Fabrication, Inc.
                    Miller MM210--now X2
                    Hypertherm 380
                    Miller autodark hood

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                    • #11
                      Harold,I thought you could not own a rifle in that state unless you are a senator or you have big bucks?

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                      • #12
                        Have lots of guns don't knpw where you heard that. Handguns in NY are a lot more difficult to obtain at least legally and yes all my guns are legal. Owned most of them over 40 years. As far as the gas loss goes I have concluded that since I weld outside my storage units I just use more gas. Not sure what normal is although I do track the welding hours on a tank.The last one (280 cu ft)gave me 19.2 hours. Raining today so no welding and no rattle snake.
                        Harold
                        Craftsman Colormatic AC
                        Victor Journyman Setup
                        Syncrowave 180 SD
                        MM210 With Spoolgun
                        Dynasty 200 DX
                        Spectrum 625 Plasma Cutter
                        Miller HD Tape Measure

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                        • #13
                          HAROLD..............PESKY RATTLE SNAKES........... WATCH FOR RICHOCHEE'S................. ...........ROCK................. [email protected]

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                          • #14
                            w00t!!!

                            Well I have my mm251 back in my hot little hands, they SAY it's in good working order. Didn't have time to lay any beads with it when I dropped it off at the casa, but tomorrow will tell the tale... I'll post the outcome of initial testing...

                            Thanks again everybody!
                            It's all fun and games until somebody gets shot in the leg. -- Armageddon

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                            • #15
                              Need some opinions on these welds.

                              Well, got the 251 back from the repair depot (after two weeks), hooked it up and ran a few test beads.

                              At first I wasn't real happy with the results. There DOES still seem to leave a LOT of spatter. But upon further investigation this stuff cleans up a little better (using knotted wire wheel on grinder) than the old stuff did.

                              Pictures:


                              Specifics:
                              Gas: 75/25 (new bottle) set at 25CFH
                              Wire: Hobart brand ER70S-6
                              Settings: 17.0V at 245
                              Material: Mild steel 1/8" tube

                              So what is the deal with this machine? Is it me? I can run some decent beads for an amateur, and have never had this kind of trouble out of any other machine. I'm about at the end of my rope here and looking for some guidance.
                              It's all fun and games until somebody gets shot in the leg. -- Armageddon

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