Power Mig 300

[rangerod]

Scott V

Took the plunge, ordered the Power Mig 300 today. Rock I know you like to know what drove the decision to purchase this particular machine. For me it was the power & the diverse capabilities in this one unit. Have a good one

[Hobart Expert Rock]

RANGEROD..............THANKS FOR THE INPUT...........MARKETING ALWAYS NEEDS TO KNOW..............HAVE SOME FUN WITH IT NOW.....................ROCK..................
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[Scott V]

Rangerod,I think you are going to like the real soft arc,You can set it up for a more agressive arc, if you like that kind of arc also.If you get a foot pedal,or button you can use all the dc tig controls built in to it.It will work without,but not as good.The amp range in tig is 2 amps to 300 amps,that is a pretty stable low end.I told you different last time,but the manual was wrong.Email me from the Chaski site for my real e-mail,if you need more info.I am really sure these guys are sick to death hearing about what a powermig 300 can do.

[chub380]

Now that I sold my 250x I think I will wait for Millers verson on the Powermig 300. I hope I dont have to wait too long.

[Scott V]

Chub380,It's going to look funny on a Miller welder that says pulse on pulse by Lincoln.Or they can wait for the patent to run out.

[dseman]

Patents huh?

Kinda like how lincoln had to pay royalties to miller for all these years since they utilized miller's patent for squarewave in their tig machines?

Miller also makes pulsed mig welders--invision, xmt with optima, etc. I know you like the powermig and that's fine, but miller, kempi, and other european mfgrs. also make them. Speaking of the euro's , I think they are way ahead in utilizing embedded microcontrollers in their welders to have complexity in the controls if you want full manual, and then synergistic or pre-programmed control for those who only want to turn one knob. I'm an electrical engineer and design analog and digital circuits used in IBM's PowerPC microprocessors. I can tell you the US welding industry is quite late in taking advantage of embedded controllers when compared to the europeans. I believe in time they will catch up though. Miller and Lincoln will constantly be leap frogging one another. So you can be sure that if Lincoln has taken a cc/cv supply, wire feeder, some controls and wrapped it with some red sheetmetal then Miller will be doing the same. They already have the base components. All they need now is some blue sheetmetal. It will be interesting to see what Miller's response will be, won't it??
-dseman

[Scott V]

dseman,first they have to jump over Esab to get to Lincoln in the 250/300 amp all in one machines.I been waiting about eight years so far.

[dseman]

All I can say is that if Miller or anyone else found strong marketing response for an 'all in one machine', where they could sell a lot of units, I think they would make it. I believe that inverter based machines exhibit better arcs--whether cc or cv, so it is just a matter of time before they fully exploit that as an 'all in one machine'. There really is no reason they couldn't make an ac/dc cc inverter, add cv with preprogramming for aluminum pulse, spray, steel short arc, steel spray, and so on. Then keep all the pulsing and sequencing found in their high end tigs, and add electrode specific programming for the ac/dc stick section. Add a 'droop' knob to control the reduction in amperage above 30volts --which could be used in conjuction with the 'dig' control below 20volts and you could begin to have a do it all machine with stick characteristics that any pipe welder would enjoy having. The engineering is their I'm sure. It's just a matter of whether the market will support it with sufficient volumes. Remember too that they have to charge more initially to recoup their intellectual property investment--and then that would put it out of most people's budget. Lots to consider when creating new products.
-dseman

[cope]

Originally posted by Scott V
dseman,first they have to jump over Esab to get to Lincoln in the 250/300 amp all in one machines.I been waiting about eight years so far.

Scott, I think Miller must have it in for you. Maybe ITW will buy Lincoln and re-paint all their machines chartreuse. You're right, we need to start a new thread!

[Scott V]

Cope,I want to hold off for a minute,and say that I agree with desman on the his last post about inverters,and I really do think they are coming in that form pretty soon.I also have to say a transformer machine that only does mig is fine by me.Not even a hybrid one,just a plain jane unit.I kind of like those better in some ways,because they are kind of bullet proof,and they weld nice.

[Hobart Expert Rock]

MY BROTHERS AND I HAVE IN OUR ARSENAL OF WELDERS A MACHINE THAT IS ALL FUNCTION, CC/CV WITH 2 POWER SUPPLIES A 350 AMP AND A 500 AMP......... WE MADE THESE MACHINES MANY YEARS AGO IN THE INTERNATIONAL MARKET.... COST WAS EXORBANENT....................EXCELLENT TIG AND VERY GOOD MIG.............. SCOTTV YOUR A BIT BEHIND THE TIMES....... ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT WHEN POWCON WAS IN THE BALL GAME THOSE LITTLE INVERTERS WERE GOOD UNITS THE 300'S. AND WE HAD 1 OR 2 ABOARD ALL SUBMARINES FOR INTERNAL REPAIR'S..................... SCOTTV I THINK I'LL KEEP MY MONEY IN THE GOOD OLD USA..............I CAN NOT TELL YOU WHAT R & D IS DOING............. SO HEY SET BACK AND ENJOY AND THANK'S FOR THE COMMENTS........................ROCK.............. .................... [email protected]

[cope]

Originally posted by Scott V
Cope,I want to hold off for a minute,and say that I agree with desman on the his last post about inverters,and I really do think they are coming in that form pretty soon.I also have to say a transformer machine that only does mig is fine by me.Not even a hybrid one,just a plain jane unit.I kind of like those better in some ways,because they are kind of bullet proof,and they weld nice.

Hah! The thought of a Chartreuse Power Mig got to you, eh?

[banzaitoyota]

[i]SCOTTV YOUR A BIT BEHIND THE TIMES....... ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT WHEN POWCON WAS IN THE BALL GAME THOSE LITTLE INVERTERS WERE GOOD UNITS THE 300'S. AND WE HAD 1 OR 2 ABOARD ALL SUBMARINES FOR INTERNAL REPAIR'S..................... [email protected] [/B]

Rock; hate to disagree with you, THE weldor onboard SSN's and SSBN's was some big ol' honking Grey Power supply. Had to get permission to foul the Reactor Compartment Tunnel Doors to weld. Only the Tender had the Powcon units, our onboard weldor drooled over those machines. It just so happened one got "appropiated" for his use. However, he was not allowed to use ot for his "certified" welds, had to use the big ol' monster in the tunnel. John MM1(ss) (Retired) SSBN's 633 and 625

[Scott V]

Rock,did it have ac tig built in?I agree I am behind the times,but what doe's it have to do with a cc/cv, ac/dc inverter with mig/stick/stick,made for the average guy?I have not seen one yet.I just said I like a transformer mig,because it welds fine.How many great looking beads are being run on old outdated behind the times transformer migs?I think the big three still are making outdated transformer migs for some strange reason?Some even out of hardly used outdated stuff called copper.

[Roger]

It's been more than 10 years but then every USN ship I saw had motor generator DC welder. Tenders and repair ships had inverter welders that were called "powercon" but ones I saw 10 years ago were Lincoln. They plugged the "powercon" welders into outlets meant for submersible pumps that were always handy. Some ships like the salvage tug I was on bought their own inverter welders. To weld anyplace but welding shop aboard USN surface ship required permission from god and trained fire watch or 1 fire watch on each side of bulkhead (wall).