Rock,why doesn't Miller>

[Scott V]

build a welder that would beat up the little lincolns?Seems to me if they did one thing to the MM 175 it would probally become the sales leader in that class.Here goes,just make the MM175 weld with 120/240 volts.Just make sure it welds decent on both.Seems like the Miller goes for a little less than the lincoln,and they could raise the price some to cover the added features.Just lower the output for 120 volt welding.It has been done before,but I think this time it would fly.I know I would buy one if it welded only pretty good.

You know Lincoln will never do it when they are the sales leader.

[Hobart Expert Rock]

SCOTTV..................HAHAHA..............NOW YOU WANT A TRANSFORMER THAT WILL BE MULTI TAPPED........... 115/230 SO WE'VE ADDED WEIGHT TO THE MACHINES............. BUT LOOK WE'VE ELIMINATED EITHER THE MM135 OR THE MM175......... AND COMBINED THE TWO INTO ONE............... COST WILL BE AMAZING, THE RESPECTIVE MACHINES USE TWO DIFFERENT PC BOARD, TWO DIFFERENT TRANSFORMERS, TWO DIFFERENT FAN MOTORS........ YES IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE.............. PERSONALLY I LIKE THE IDEA........ALL MILLER/LINCOLN/ESAB/PANASONIC/HOBARTS HAVE HAD EQUIPMENT LIKE THIS BEFORE..........THE ULTRA WELD 130 WAS A INVERTER WITH THIS CONFIGURATION 115/230......... TELL YOU WHAT I WILL FORWARD ONTO MY BLACK BOX PROJECT LEADER......................HE LIKES A CHALLENGE................NOT TO MENTION HE LIKES INVERTERS.............$$$$$$$$$$$$$ IS THE KEY WORD HERE.............................NOTED............ ....AND FORWARDED TO APPROPRIATE PERSONEL..............ROCK.
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[Scott V]

Yes,I would like a inverter also.That way I could get off this treadmill of 120 or 240 deal with the small machines.Also make it beable to draw more than 20 amps if needed on 120 volts,like the little Thermal-arc plasma 120 volt units.Just have a setting for 20 amps for the people that only can get that much.That way you might not be so limited for 120 volt use.Even put a switch inside of it to keep dummys out of trouble.I really think that thing will sell,and I will be the first at the door.Lots of people have been dealing with the on going problem of should I buy 240 or 120.One good machine would really solve that problem once,and for all.My 1.5 cents.Looks like I am going to buy another Lincoln sp135 in the mean time,but don't worry,because I will weld with the Miller 135 to give it a fair shot.

[Roger]

While your at it make it TIG too as it would be in that price range and probably be easy to adapt Maxstar 200 to work.

Wait a few years to add plasma cutting option.

HTP sells a version of their 160 MIG welder that plugs into 110v and 220v. It really costs lots more for that option. Their welders use seperate transformer to supply power for wirefeeder and board which might simplify the change over or not.

[Franz]

While we're at it, lets make the machine right, and it has to cost no more than $400-.
It MUST have the following features;
Gas/propane/diesel powered as well as 120 volt AC so you can use it anyplace.
AC DC TIG MIG and plasma all included, with spoolgun
Induction heating capable to eliminate the need for torches
Silent or at least quiet operation 70db max noise out
and it can't weigh more than 30 pounds.
Naturally, the machine should come with 30# each of steel, aluminum and stainless wire, and not require shileding gas.
It will be able to weld from 1 amp up to 300 amps, 98% duty cycle.
Don't forget to make it with self contained wheels and telescopic handle.
The first manufacturer to build that machine will own the market.

[Hobart Expert Rock]

FRANZ........ WELL THAT IS A PRETTY TALL ORDER......... ARE YOU SURE IT MUST RUN ON PROPANE, GAS, DIESEL, AND LET'S THROW IN JP4 ALSO................AN ALL INCLUSIVE WELDING MACHINE NOW THAT IS A THOUGHT............. WAIT UNTIL MY BLACK BOX GUY'S SEE THIS ONE...........................GO GENTS GO........ ROCK..............[email protected]

[Scott V]

Franz,
Where is the built in air compressor,and dryer,and maybe even laser cutting?

For $400.00 dollars look for it at your nearest harbor freight soon!

[russell]

and reclining bucket seats!

[ZACHV]

Don't forget the cup holders!! As soon as it is done sign me up for two.

[Franz]

I left out kerosene, JP4 and Jet A because I didn't want Miller to have to license engine technology from Katolite, and it's hard to make an engine that would contend with the lack of lubriscity of those fuels. Since you've expressed so much confidence in the skunklab guys, have them make it run on Acetelene too, just for us old farts who will always have a torch rig along.
I left out the beer cooler cause any beer drinker worth a flat dam already has the truck equipped with one, besides, I don't drink beer, so I needed to give some financial incentive to Miller to build it.
Reclining seats are out cause too many guys would sleep on the job. Of course, if it's water cooled, it should have a shower head on the telescoping handle.
Air compressor ~ good idea, I can't think of everything, so, make sure it can deliver [email protected]# for chippers.
If there are a couple buck left in the developement budget, add in an umbrella and cigarette lighter too.
Come to think of it, make the whole thing computer driven, with robot arm, and voice command.
I wouldn't want to be greedy, so anything else is probably superfluous.
If the Skunk works guys need inspiration send them to www.capstoneturbine.com

That'll get em started.

[Scott V]

Yea,and nasa needs a replacement for their shuttle while your at it!

Also how would it spray-arc in space?

[R. Nelson]

Re: Rock,why doesn't Miller>

Originally posted by Scott V
build a welder that would beat up the little lincolns?Seems to me if they did one thing to the MM 175 it would probally become the sales leader in that class.Here goes,just make the MM175 weld with 120/240 volts.Just make sure it welds decent on both.Seems like the Miller goes for a little less than the lincoln,and they could raise the price some to cover the added features.Just lower the output for 120 volt welding.It has been done before,but I think this time it would fly.I know I would buy one if it welded only pretty good.

You know Lincoln will never do it when they are the sales leader.

I want one of those phaser's from STAR TREK, the will weld, heat rocks, stun a KLINGON, you name it.

[Sberry]

You could probably save some weight as it wouldnt need shielding gas in space, but the plasma might be a problem and the air compressor wouldnt work so well.

[Franz]

That definitely brings up an interesting question, what would deposition be like in a total vacuum? Quick Rock, run over to the lab and do some experiments.
After we get those answwers, we'll work on the question of -0- gravity and deposition.

[Hobart Expert Rock]

FRANZ.........DON'T LAUGH THIS IS A TRUE STORY.........THEIR IS A COMPANY CALLED ALLOY BELLOWS..........IN CLEVELAND, OHIO..... THEY SPECIALIZE IN ATMOSPHERIC BARRIER CHAMBER WELDING THIS IS TIG ONLY..................CAN'T SAY WHAT THEY MAKE BUT IT IS SOME REALLY NEAT STUFF...........THEY AT THE TIME OF MY VISIT WERE USEING CT-150'S TO DO THE TIG WELDING IN THESE THINGS.............NOT ZERO GRAVITY BUT A SLICK OPERATION.........THIS WAS 10 YEARS AGO...............AN ENGINEER AND I WERE THERE CALIBRATEING THE CT-150'S........... ..ROCK HMMMM CLINGON'S......... ....[email protected]