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  • Mig vs Stick,Tig

    I'm curious as to, the boards opinion on these processes.
    I worked a shipyard for a number of years and thoroughly enjoyed stick welding (everything). Just before I left, we had more inverters and wire feed suitcases than you could shake a stick at (no pun intended).
    I found them bulky, hard on the hands and wrist, smokey (flux core) to fast, and somewhat of a bore as it took some of the art out of welding. I realise that there's more deposition in less time, but man, I hate wire feeders.
    I went to a boiler shop and did a 6g pipe test on heavy wall carbon steel pipe and did it with stick then did a flux core test in the 3g on plate (thinking I may have to do this rarely). The very next day I was out on the floor welding down comers in a steam drum 4" thick with 3/32 flux core wire. I couldn't believe it! I had, had enough got into the UA and I've never looked back.
    In the field it's stick and tig thats it thats all. It's great to get the fluid motion of a puddle using a tig torch while walking the cup in the joint and then hot passing and capping with tig or stick. It's just enjoyable.
    The only place the wire feeder is used on our jobs is in the fab shop, I guess I'm afraid someday it will come out to the site.
    What say you?
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  • #2
    evil MIG

    I don't like MIG on the job because it works the **** out of a man. My boss has a big 350amp machine that runs .040 wire. I have to stop every 3 feet or so just to catch my breath. On fillet welds I just go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth; never moving up or down.
    chasin' the $

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    • #3
      3/32 FCAW is tough...I admit...but the true value of a weldor is perseverance and trying to do just a little better than the next guy and satisfaction being in a good weld joint, with what ever process you have to use. Weldors always have to prove themselves to their employers, but having gained a reputation as a good weldor has many benefits...but you have to pay your dues in the trenches first. MIG welding is the fastest way to get from point A to point B, up to a certain thickness of base metal. Then 1/4" rod is quicker. The point being that you must the right method for the job you are doing. MIG may not be the best method, but a good weldor can decide that. Your employer wants the job done Good and Fast.....I have found that you have to get good...then work on fast. Keep in mind they always take the best men to make supervisors out of. (I know... that doesn't mean they will be good supervisors, either ) MIG is here to stay...make it put money in your pocket....only you can do that. Above all, work safe, be safe

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      • #4
        Why is the 1/4" rod quicker?
        chasin' the $

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mikeb
          Why is the 1/4" rod quicker?
          More weld metal is deposited at the same time as a short circuit MIG weld. Spray arc is another story.

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          • #6
            spray

            I know this question has been asked before, but how does one spray with MIG? Amps, gas, wire speed, etc.
            chasin' the $

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            • #7
              Re: spray

              Originally posted by mikeb
              I know this question has been asked before, but how does one spray with MIG? Amps, gas, wire speed, etc.
              Mike. do a search on "spray" and you'll get more info than you ever wanted to know.

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              • #8
                ROCKY D,
                I got a lift out of the 1/4" electrode comment, I used a lot of them before I got my wire feeder.
                The deposition rate on the big rods is something that'newbies' sometimes can't believe!
                If you want to race a flux core feeder with sticks, I still have a few hunderd pounds of 5/16" 6027, could be a good match!(Guy on feeder has to wait for stick man to change & chip)
                work safe, always wear your safety glasses.


                Edward Heimbach

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                • #9
                  Ed & Rocky D

                  When I had my little Airco Easy Arc 225 cracker box I lit off a 1/4" rod. That is a whole other game compared to 1/8 or even 5/32 rods!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Rocky D
                    3/32 FCAW is tough...I admit...but the true value of a weldor is perseverance and trying to do just a little better than the next guy and satisfaction being in a good weld joint, with what ever process you have to use. Weldors always have to prove themselves to their employers, but having gained a reputation as a good weldor has many benefits...but you have to pay your dues in the trenches first. MIG welding is the fastest way to get from point A to point B, up to a certain thickness of base metal. Then 1/4" rod is quicker. The point being that you must the right method for the job you are doing. MIG may not be the best method, but a good weldor can decide that. Your employer wants the job done Good and Fast.....I have found that you have to get good...then work on fast. Keep in mind they always take the best men to make supervisors out of. (I know... that doesn't mean they will be good supervisors, either ) MIG is here to stay...make it put money in your pocket....only you can do that. Above all, work safe, be safe
                    I think ROCKY D hit it,...we are what blacksmith's were a hundred years ago,...everybody has thier little trade secret of doing the same thing we all are doing........building and fabricating,...whether you build ships,..skyscrapers,...go-carts,....roll-bars,....****, even spot weld body panels at GM,.....it's all about welding, and without it, we would still be in caves chasing our food........though ,..sometimes I chase my food.....and lose.
                    ROCK

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                    • #11
                      Nelson, Where in Oklahoma are ya at?
                      Art is dangerous!
                      www.PiedmontIronworks.com

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                      • #12
                        5/16

                        I'd like to buy some of that rod, Ed. email me
                        chasin' the $

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