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    Hi guys. I have a mm210 and a dial arc 250. On the mm 210 the voltage taps are 1 thru 7. what voltage do these taps represent?
    Wire speed on the mm 210 dial is 10 thru 100, not inches per minute, any chart other than the one that is on the mm 210 gives voltage and inches/min. Is there a way to relate the 21o markings to voltage and wire speed. The dialarc 250 amp control dial is 1 thru 10, not in amps. Same problem, is this a miller twizzler? Any suggestions? Thanks

  • #2
    If you log on to the Miller site you can download a manual for your 210. It is a pdf file and is free. Don't know if Lincoln offers the same or not. Anyway, here's the link:


    http://www.millerwelds.com/main/prod...el_num=M010699

    BTW, the 10-100 isn't ipm, its a scale which is referred to in the manual for wire speed settings.

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    • #3
      Grin 1

      the voltage taps aren t a specific voltage setting. Each tap actually has a specific voltage range that it covers, which increases or decreases in value depending on the wirespeed setting (amperage) choosen. On anyone of the seven taps, as the wire speed is increased the voltage drops, and as you decrease the wire speed the voltage increases. The above infomation is based on when you are actually welding with the machine, because when you aren t welding and the machine is setting idle each tap does have an exact voltage setting. This is called the open circuit voltage for that tap.

      Figuring out inches per minute for the machine isn t difficult. All you need to do is snip the wire flush with the end of the contact tip. Set your machine to a wire speed setting. Then aim the nozzle end of the gun in a safe direction. Then pull the trigger on the gun and let the wire run for six seconds. After this shut the machine off and measure the length of wire sticking past the contact tip. After this multiple this length by 10 and this will give you your IPM for that setting. For future reference document the IPM for the setting. I actually do the measurement 4 or 5 times for a setting so that I can come up with a more accurate measurement, because Im human and my response time to the clock is going to vary a little. By the way after each measurement, I just roll the wire back onto the spool.

      Also, on any tap you can get the load voltage, which is the output voltage while you are welding, for a specific wire speed setting, by using a volt meter. Set the meter to DC volts. If it has different voltage ranges on it such as 2, 20, 200, and 1000 volts DC, set it to the 200 volt DC, because most of the taps on the machine are capable of outputting more than 20 volts DC. Anyway, to get this voltage reading, you need a competent person who can take the measurement for you while you are welding. You take the voltage measurement at the + and - terminal that are by the drive rolls inside the wire compartment. You want the red lead from your meter on the positve terminal and the black lead on the negative terminal. Actually though with a digital meter it really doesn t matter. If you do it the opposite way all that happens is you get a negative value instead of a positive. It is the same voltage reading just the opposite polarity. Actually, I think I have a picture demonstrating how to take this measurement. If I remember right though I did it in a hurry and messed up and put red on - and black on+. As I stated above it should have been the other way around. Anyway, if I can find it in my growing number of pictures on my hard drive Ill post it.
      Last edited by Dan; 05-01-2009, 08:19 AM.
      MigMaster 250- Smooth arc with a good touch of softness to it. Good weld puddle wetout. Light spatter producer.
      Ironman 230 - Soft arc with a touch of agressiveness to it. Very good weld puddle wet out. Light spatter producer.


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      • #4
        Dan, thanks, I thought about measuring the voltage with a VOM but never gave a thought about running the wire out and measuring it. That will work great. You wouldn't have any thought on measuring the amprege on th Miller Dialarc 250, the dial reads 1 thru 10. I think they only did this for a few years of production.
        thanks, Neil

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        • #5
          When you wrote dial arc I saw Ideal Arc. Sorry about that! Rock or one of his operatives will be along shortly to help you, but you should be able to download manuals for both machines free at Miller's site. Put in your serial number if asked for.

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          • #6
            Hi ya Cope, just wanted to let you know that I have the manuals but there isn't anything in them that refers to the crossing of Millers numbers to voltage or amperage, hopin' maybe Rock has an idea.
            Thanks, Neil

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            • #7
              Dan, would you know if the wire speed is constant thruout the voltage range or would the wire speed need to be checked at each voltage setting?
              Thanks, Neil

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              • #8
                No goofy wire feed tracking,if thats what you mean?

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                • #9
                  Welllllll Scott could be one needs a degree in math to weld with this new fandangled equipment. I did call miller and the 1 thru 10 on the Dialarc is 10 to 100 percent of the range you are in, ie: dc low range is 35 to 155 amps , that is a range of 120 amps (155-35=120). If you were set to 1 it would be 10% of 120 equal= 12 amps which would be 47 amps (35+12=47). Think I'll get some of that weld that comes in a tube

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                  • #10
                    Hey Neil

                    I tried to send you a copy of an Excel spread sheet that I got from Miller, however you don t want to receive E mails from board members. Anyway, this document gives the load voltage and amperage values for the recommend starting parameters that Miller supplies on the door of the machine.

                    Also, to the best of my knowledge the wire speed setting stays pretty constant and doesn t vary from selection 1-7.
                    MigMaster 250- Smooth arc with a good touch of softness to it. Good weld puddle wetout. Light spatter producer.
                    Ironman 230 - Soft arc with a touch of agressiveness to it. Very good weld puddle wet out. Light spatter producer.


                    PM 180C



                    HH 125 EZ - impressive little fluxcore only unit

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                    • #11
                      Dan, I think I reset my profile to receive e-mail, i would like very much to have those parameters. And I want to thank you for your interest. It really helps.

                      Thanks agin, Neil

                      Email: [email protected]

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by grin1
                        Dan, I think I reset my profile to receive e-mail, i would like very much to have those parameters. And I want to thank you for your interest. It really helps.

                        Thanks agin, Neil

                        Email: [email protected]
                        Neil if I did it right you should receive the chart. Always glad to help another MM 210 owner out.
                        MigMaster 250- Smooth arc with a good touch of softness to it. Good weld puddle wetout. Light spatter producer.
                        Ironman 230 - Soft arc with a touch of agressiveness to it. Very good weld puddle wet out. Light spatter producer.


                        PM 180C



                        HH 125 EZ - impressive little fluxcore only unit

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                        • #13
                          Dan, you did it Right as always, thanks. will be gone for aout two weeks see ya and thanks agin. Neil

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                          • #14
                            GRIN 1...........CALL 920-831-4898 AND MY OPPERATIVES AT THAT NUMBER ARE MIKE, MARIE, DOUG , KEVIN, AND GARY.;....... THESE FOLKS CAN ANSWER DIRECTLY TO YOU............. .....THEY ARE GOOD............................ROCK
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                            • #15
                              Dial Arc & MM 210

                              Grin1
                              The easiest way to check the weld voltage you are using is as you were considering, measure it with a meter while welding. I could give you the OCV (voltages with no load) for each tap but they will change under weld load. The wire speed is constant, no wire fed speed tracking on the MM 210. As for the Dial Arc we did change it recently to amperage readings. If you would like I can send you a label to apply to your machine with amperage settings on it instead of the reference numbers.

                              Kevin

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