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  • oldguyfrom56
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    Originally posted by Dale M. View Post

    There is so much so wrong on youtube, unless you have your BS filter at highest setting anyone who has about 10 seconds of success, and has managed to shoot video, and upload it is an instant expert.....NOT...

    Dale
    I agree. I posted two video links. The Kid in one versus the old guy in another. In my haste?
    Who won and why? Was there a winner? Or did one accomplish more with less?

    Now...I don't usually resort to Hobart say's, or Miller say's, or Lincoln. But they say you can. Who's the expert?

    You say no, I say yes.
    Sammysea one post... think he cares more or less? One way or the other?
    If he did he hasn't shown it? POOF!
    We can just disagree. And agree.

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  • Dale M.
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    Originally posted by oldguyfrom56 View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzcyA6Z-8dk
    I'm sure someone said " no, you can't" when they talked about sending a rocket ship to the moon?


    Old timer secrets...? Or knowledge and applying it?
    Why did he recommend a larger welding tip? How about if he used a larger wire? Different wire, say 6061? Used helium instead or argon?

    Buddy used a 125 amp Lincoln, I'm sure the 140 amp Hobart is just as capable. The kid in the first video, he could use some guidance. Buddy in this video, I'd say he knew a bit more? But did he need a spool gun? No.

    Will a spool gun and bigger power source make buddy's welding of aluminum small jobs easier? Not likely if he's asking the question he did?

    So, is the correct answer no, or yes, with limitations? Is there a difference, you bet there is. The no response is no, which by the small job presented in the video I attached, shows it to be, if not the wrong answer, not the best answer.







    I would be very careful on any YOUTUBE videos you use to strengthen you arguments.... There is so much so wrong on youtube, unless you have your BS filter at highest setting anyone who has about 10 seconds of success, and has managed to shoot video, and upload it is an instant expert.....NOT...

    Dale

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  • oldguyfrom56
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzcyA6Z-8dk

    I'm sure someone said " no, you can't" when they talked about sending a rocket ship to the moon?

    Old timer secrets...? Or knowledge and applying it?
    Why did he recommend a larger welding tip? How about if he used a larger wire? Different wire, say 6061? Used helium instead or argon?

    Buddy used a 125 amp Lincoln, I'm sure the 140 amp Hobart is just as capable. The kid in the first video, he could use some guidance. Buddy in this video, I'd say he knew a bit more? But did he need a spool gun? No.

    Will a spool gun and bigger power source make buddy's welding of aluminum small jobs easier? Not likely if he's asking the question he did?

    So, is the correct answer no, or yes, with limitations? Is there a difference, you bet there is. The no response is no, which by the small job presented in the video I attached, shows it to be, if not the wrong answer, not the best answer.








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  • MAC702
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    The correct answer is no. That can then be expanded to, "Well, if you only care to melt a little bit of some type of aluminum into a tiny puddle and learn new words during the attempt, then please share the results."

    Anything other than "no" is a disservice to someone that actually wants to build or repair something, and that includes product literature written by a salesman sitting at a desk.

    He's not asking about something possible with a machine he has. He's looking to BUY a machine to do the job. Big difference.

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  • oldguyfrom56
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fas3K8G-c64

    " don't be disappointed when you discover disappointment, which you will be when you discover limitations exist although by all account you can"

    And Dale, with all due respect, you said No. No means no. Not maybe? Not you won't be happy? No.

    As far as pushing wire out a 10' gun cable assemble...I get a flat tire and have no spare, do I park and walk or do I drive the rim? Tuff choice? But if you know your limitations it's easier to decide.

    And before anyone gets their knickers in a knot pointing out buddy in the video used a Hobart 187 not a 140, I'll add the disclaimer smaller bead not as long a weld. Is it ideal, no. Do able, yes. They didn't say it would be easy, practical, pretty or fun, just do able.

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  • Northweldor
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    Originally posted by Dale M. View Post
    You going to push aluminum wire through 10 feet of gun lead?

    And my comment was NOT that it could not do aluminum, my comment was it does not have spool gun provision.... And almost all low end MIG machines recommend spool guns for aluminum...

    Dale
    There are a few determined individuals on this list who have reported some success in welding light gage aluminum with a 140, but no known pictured or tested results. Also, all manufacturers tend to exaggerate the capabilities of their machines, and Hobart is no exception!

    You would also have to have an aluminum designated-liner and contact tip, and change it every time you wanted to do aluminum, and be using the 140 at the top end of its range (low duty-cycle), with your gun cable laid out as straight as possible, while limiting your electrode choices to the stiffer alloys you can push.

    Also, I would trust Dale's opinion as a long-time 140 user.

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  • Dale M.
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    You going to push aluminum wire through 10 feet of gun lead?

    And my comment was NOT that it could not do aluminum, my comment was it does not have spool gun provision.... And almost all low end MIG machines recommend spool guns for aluminum...

    Dale
    Last edited by Dale M.; 12-31-2018, 07:25 PM.

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  • oldguyfrom56
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    https://www.hobartwelders.com/files/.../O925F_HOB.pdf

    I hate to disagree, but...4.1

    Dirty Harry said, "a man has to know his limitations".

    Same could be said regarding that machine and the aluminum you hope to weld. But yea...t's capable. It also has limitations in doing so. What were you planning on for small aluminum jobs? Busted rims? Pontoon boat? Small aluminum chests?

    The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.
    Same could be said about a length of weld, one droplet at a time.
    Don't forget to add in the expense of Argon, and don't be disappointed when you discover disappointment, which you will be when you discover limitations exist although by all account you can.

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  • Dale M.
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    No... It has no provision for spool gun.... You will probably have to go up to one of the 240V machines to get spool gun capable and power enough to do the welds...

    Dale

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  • sammysea
    started a topic handler 140 can I weld aluminium with this welder?

    handler 140 can I weld aluminium with this welder?

    am thinking of buyinng a 140.....need to know if it will be able to do small aluminium welding jobs??
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