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  • #16
    Originally posted by Hobart Expert Darrell View Post
    The price at Northern Tool has been changed to $1099.99

    Check the link:

    http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...0405_200390405

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Hobart Expert Darrell View Post
      Northern Tool is also throwing in an 800W inverter with the purchase of the Trek 180 combined with free shipping.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Hobart Expert Darrell View Post
        Northern Tool is also throwing in an 800W inverter with the purchase of the Trek 180 combined with free shipping.
        Would that be for charging on the road?

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        • #19
          You can use more welding amps with welder plugged into 110V AC to supplement welder battery. It's battery is charged from 110V AC. That inverter can be used for both purposes. While the inverter can supply 110V from car battery alone for short time it is best to have engine running keeping it's battery charged. Most car and truck batteries are not rated for deep discharge.

          Lead acid battery life is reduced by deep discharging. Even a lead acid battery rated for deep discharge will stay healthy longer if you don't deep discharge. Trek 180 welder has battery protection circuits to prevent over charging and to prevent excessive discharge to help with battery life. Subject is covered in their literature and on Northern Tool web site.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Sandy View Post
            Would that be for charging on the road?
            Exactly. If you're in an off-road environment, most likely you won't have access to 115V power with which to recharge the Trek 180.

            One of the features of the Trek 180 is its AutoPower capability. When the internal charger is plugged into a 115V source for recharging, the Trek's charger "pings" the source to test the level to which the source can provide power for charging. When running from a good, stiff source such as a 115V receptacle in a garage, the Trek will demand full power for the fastest charge. If the Trek senses a lower-power source (we don't recommend anything below 400W), it will decrease the demand. This allows the Trek to recharge from low power automotive-type inverters which are handy in an off-road environment.

            Since we were developing a welder to be operated in the cordless mode in remote locations such as are experienced by off-roaders, we needed to provide a means to recharge the welder in that environment, otherwise it would have been a one-shot welder, and then just extra weight in the vehicle once it was discharged.

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            • #21
              My question is (and it's probably already been addressed) is can this unit run a bottle and solid wire and can it run a spool gun with non-ferrous? Some jobs I do require my Ranger 8 but would work with this unit, actually better.

              A good example is welding broken tabs (inside) the backend of a combine in the field. That's a common occurence here and you are inside the machine, in still air with no drafts.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by SidecarFlip View Post
                My question is (and it's probably already been addressed) is can this unit run a bottle and solid wire and can it run a spool gun with non-ferrous? Some jobs I do require my Ranger 8 but would work with this unit, actually better.

                A good example is welding broken tabs (inside) the backend of a combine in the field. That's a common occurence here and you are inside the machine, in still air with no drafts.
                Yes. The Trek 180 has an internal gas valve for welding with solid wire and
                C25 gas.

                It is not spool gun ready at this time.

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                • #23
                  Darrell,

                  I may have to put you on my ignore list, if you're going to remind me every other day that I could purchase a Trek 180 for $1099 during a time frame when I know my Wife definitely wouldn't agree to the purchase.

                  I could have used a Trek 180 twice in the last few weeks, to help my Dad out. First, a part broke on his swather when he was out in the field cutting down grass. Then the next week a part broke on one of his balers while he was out in field too. He doesn't have a portable welder, so in both cases he had to head back home.

                  I lost the weld bead pics you sent me produced by the Trek 180 when my last computer crashed. You stated Bill wasn't really trying on those anyway. Any chance you could get Bill to run a few fluxcore and solid wire welds on 1/8" and post a few pictures of the beads on this forum? A horizontal lap and T joint would make me happy.
                  MigMaster 250- Smooth arc with a good touch of softness to it. Good weld puddle wetout. Light spatter producer.
                  Ironman 230 - Soft arc with a touch of agressiveness to it. Very good weld puddle wet out. Light spatter producer.


                  PM 180C



                  HH 125 EZ - impressive little fluxcore only unit

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                  • #24
                    Darrell, I paid Nothern Tool to get on their special mailing list a year or so ago. I have a recent e-mail from them saying the Trek 180 is on a "clearance" sale (at the same price you saw, $1099). A real deal for a highly useful little welder, but are they "clearing" this machine because you are about to come out with a revised version of this machine?

                    I'm guessing a revised version might address any issues, if they were any, that the first model might have had, a normal occurance. And if so or if not, a revision might also include compatibility with a small spoolgun, as asked about above. I'm curious about the use of lead-acid batteries with this unit, since there is no end of buzz these days about the various high-tech and exotic batteries to choose from. Certainly, keeping the Trek 180 affordable had to have figured into the choice, but what else went into it . . . and is a next-gen Trek going to have different batteries . . . AND would I be able to retrofit any changes into the machine you currently sell?

                    Finally, I have a Trafimet spool gun which plugs into my Millermatic 175, using Trafimet's control box (newer MMs will take a Miller spoolgun without such a box). Since it has its own control box, would my Trafimet spoolgun work with the Trek 180, the one that is on "clearance"?

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                    • #25
                      so is it true there is already a new version ?

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                      • #26
                        trek 180

                        when I can plug a spool gun into this puppy and weld aluminum. I will buy it. hope the revised unit will alow this. anybody got any insite.diverdown
                        2001 dodge 4x4 welding truck.Hobart champion 10.000 miller 180 auto set with spool gun.SIP 25 amp plasma cutter. Miller Diversion 165 Tig. 1996 28 foot Bayliner to haul diving and welding equipment around the lake.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by seattle smitty View Post
                          Darrell, I paid Nothern Tool to get on their special mailing list a year or so ago. I have a recent e-mail from them saying the Trek 180 is on a "clearance" sale (at the same price you saw, $1099). A real deal for a highly useful little welder, but are they "clearing" this machine because you are about to come out with a revised version of this machine?

                          I'm guessing a revised version might address any issues, if they were any, that the first model might have had, a normal occurance. And if so or if not, a revision might also include compatibility with a small spoolgun, as asked about above. I'm curious about the use of lead-acid batteries with this unit, since there is no end of buzz these days about the various high-tech and exotic batteries to choose from. Certainly, keeping the Trek 180 affordable had to have figured into the choice, but what else went into it . . . and is a next-gen Trek going to have different batteries . . . AND would I be able to retrofit any changes into the machine you currently sell?

                          Finally, I have a Trafimet spool gun which plugs into my Millermatic 175, using Trafimet's control box (newer MMs will take a Miller spoolgun without such a box). Since it has its own control box, would my Trafimet spoolgun work with the Trek 180, the one that is on "clearance"?
                          As far as I know, the price at Northern Tool is a sale price. There's not a clearance sale to clear the shelves for a new and improved model.

                          The decision to use the lead-acid chemistry was derived from several factors, cost being one, but mainly performance. These aren't your typical garden tractor style battery, though. To get to the desired perfomance, a high-end lead-acid construction was specified. The battery design is a thin plate pure lead acid absorbed glass mat construction. This design allows the batteries to be quickly charged and also survive the high current discharges encountered in the constant voltage process. I guess that you may classify this battery type as exotic as well.

                          To give you an idea of the charging characteristic, the typical lead acid batteries off the shelf have a maximum charge current spec of 4 amps maximum (typical 16AH battery). If this battery type was used, it would take an overnight charge to top off a fully discharged battery after a single weld cycle. With the TPPL construction of the Trek's batteries, it can be charged very quickly, an 80% charge from full discharge in 20 minutes for a single weld cycle or a 90 minute period from full discharge to full charge. The fast charge capability also allows the Trek 180 to be operated while plugged in. The internal battery charger can keep up with the welding cycle without experiencing a low battery condition operating at a duty cycle of 20% at 120 amps or 12% at 180 amps.

                          As far as the "exotic" battery types go, one thing that contributes to the high cost of the batteries is the battery management circuitry that must accompany packs of batteries that have a combination of batteries in series and parallel to operate at high power levels.

                          Darrell
                          Last edited by Hobart Expert Darrell; 12-29-2010, 01:04 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Darrell....

                            Your battery description sounds just like a Hawker Odessey thin plate AGM.

                            Do I get a cookie?

                            If so, I need to put one on my shopping list for next year, for the company.

                            I might add that a Hawker can't be charged properly with a conventional charger but must receive a substantial initial charge. I like the Hawker batteries. They even operate upside down. I have them in all my motorcycles and they ain't cheap.
                            Last edited by SidecarFlip; 12-29-2010, 07:40 PM.
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                            www.flipmeisters.com

                            Miller, Hobart & Lincoln TIG/MIG/-
                            Hypertherm Plasma (Thanks Jim)
                            Plasma-Cam DHC (coming shortly)
                            Harris OA
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by SidecarFlip View Post
                              I like the Hawker batteries. They even operate upside down. I have them in all my motorcycles and they ain't cheap.
                              You operate your motorcycles upside down? I always thought that was a bad thing... Every time I tried it, I got hurt.
                              I live in my own little world. That's OK, they understand me here.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by SidecarFlip View Post
                                Darrell....

                                Your battery description sounds just like a Hawker Odessey thin plate AGM.

                                Do I get a cookie?

                                If so, I need to put one on my shopping list for next year, for the company.

                                I might add that a Hawker can't be charged properly with a conventional charger but must receive a substantial initial charge. I like the Hawker batteries. They even operate upside down. I have them in all my motorcycles and they ain't cheap.
                                I think that you qualify for a cookie. The companies name is Enersys. It's the Genesis pure lead battery. Enersys also makes the Odyssey battery.
                                Last edited by Hobart Expert Darrell; 12-30-2010, 12:33 AM.

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