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    Dan, installed my meters in my Esabs today. The Plus took some effort, but came out ok I think. The H252 was a piece of cake. Maybe now I can make them do what I want them to do now...without guessing.
    Don


    Go Spurs Go!!!!!!

  • #2
    Don,

    You could have at least pulled the gun trigger on the Migmaster, so that we know the meter truly works.

    I ended up having to cancel the order I placed for my meter. I plan on stopping in at Airgas tomorrow, and ordering through them.

    I want to add the burn back timer too, so I'll ask for a quote on this module too.
    MigMaster 250- Smooth arc with a good touch of softness to it. Good weld puddle wetout. Light spatter producer.
    Ironman 230 - Soft arc with a touch of agressiveness to it. Very good weld puddle wet out. Light spatter producer.


    PM 180C



    HH 125 EZ - impressive little fluxcore only unit

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    • #3
      I had to go back to the shop after I made a material run to take the pics..didn't feel like firing it up any further than I did. Had a splitting headache all day. Trust me...it does indeed work. I tried the 1/4" setting with C-25 for giggles. It produced a reading of 22.9v.....amps seemed low...only 150ish. I'm going to have to play with it a bunch more to get good readings.


      I got that meter from Airgas. That was the longest order I have ever waited for. It was placed the same day I ordered the machine. So, it took, what, a month nearly? The H252 meter was ordered from Southern Tool. Cost about 40 clams less than IOC and it was here in about 5 1/2 days. I was ok with the way they worked.

      Next up will be the pulse module for the H252. May order it very very soon. I don't need a burn back module.....already have one.
      Don


      Go Spurs Go!!!!!!

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      • #4
        Don what V tap configuration were you using for 1/4" ?

        I was expecting Scott to give me a hard time on the burnback module , not you.

        So far the Airgas that I deal with has been good about getting ESAB parts to me in a timely fashion.
        MigMaster 250- Smooth arc with a good touch of softness to it. Good weld puddle wetout. Light spatter producer.
        Ironman 230 - Soft arc with a touch of agressiveness to it. Very good weld puddle wet out. Light spatter producer.


        PM 180C



        HH 125 EZ - impressive little fluxcore only unit

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        • #5
          Dan, I was using the door chart...Med/2/4.5? IIRC. I was in a hurry, so I just went for something easy.

          What can I say. I guess I've been around Scott too much. Looks like his evil ways are rubbing off a little. I mean, look at my once proud blue fleet??? It is yellowing somewhat.


          Airgas was not the problem. Joel placed the order same day. Esab dropped the ball at least twice. No idea what the deal was, just that they dropped their ball and I had no meter for a while. I got it now, so no harm done. Hope they get a little better...I just ordered my pulser last night.
          Don


          Go Spurs Go!!!!!!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dda52 View Post
            What can I say. I guess I've been around Scott too much. Looks like his evil ways are rubbing off a little. I mean, look at my once proud blue fleet??? It is yellowing somewhat.
            Don,

            Will these meters make you a better welder?
            It is nice to know what amp/voltage your equipment is putting out.

            I'll bring some blue spray paint next time I visit.

            Charles
            Millermatic Passport Plus
            Millermatic 200

            Millermatic 350P with Python
            XMT 304 /w S-64 feeder and 12RC
            Dynasty 300 DX
            Victor O/A
            Premier Power Welder for my trail junk.

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            • #7
              Better weldor? No. It will just help with determining where you are. You saw the door chart. It was extremely lacking. One reason I got this machine was to run dual shield. Some of that stuff is extremely voltage sensitive. You have to know either a factory recommended setting or actual voltage readings. The meter will help in that regard.

              I have done work where they required you to take a pic of the machine settings when performing the work. I found that strange since you can take a pic of the machine at whatever you want, then change it and weld. But that is what they wanted...meters were required for that, too. For that stuff, I always had to use the 8VS or 12RC since they have meters. Now, I can use this...if they ever call again. I won't loose sleep if they don't. Way too much documentation required for nothing type work. It is the CYA mentality gone beserk at that place.


              Methinks the blue paint won't be necessary. The 250 Plus has proven it can stand on its own and therefore deserves to be whatever color its momma gave it.
              Don


              Go Spurs Go!!!!!!

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              • #8
                Don,

                The OM for the standard Migmaster 250 has a V/A curve graph in it, that you could more than likely use as a rough reference for at least a starting point.

                Based on the P/N, your Plus model and my standard model share the same transformer, and if remember correctly they share the same slope resistor too.

                ESAB accidently left the door chart sticker off my unit. No loss, considering the info is available in the OM , and totally worthless too - same C-25 short arc and 98/2 spray arc chart as your Plus model contains.

                Yeah I've looked over the Plus model OM a few times. Not nearly as many times as the Multimaster 260 though.
                MigMaster 250- Smooth arc with a good touch of softness to it. Good weld puddle wetout. Light spatter producer.
                Ironman 230 - Soft arc with a touch of agressiveness to it. Very good weld puddle wet out. Light spatter producer.


                PM 180C



                HH 125 EZ - impressive little fluxcore only unit

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                • #9
                  Ordered the meter through Airgas today. Don, I think you got a slightly better deal then me on it. Still $88 was quite a bit better then the $350 price I was quoted a couple years ago. My wife almost purchased the meter at that price to, as Christmas present.

                  I also noticed they had a new shipment of 8" spools of .030 HB-28 on the shelf. I decided to take a closer look. Made in USA sticker on all 10 boxes. In 8" spools, I currently have 14 rolls of .030 ER70S-6. Some are partials and others are close to full rolls. Anyway, I couldn't fight the temptation, so now I have 15 rolls of .030. I only had about 2 lbs of HB-28 left, so I needed a new roll.
                  MigMaster 250- Smooth arc with a good touch of softness to it. Good weld puddle wetout. Light spatter producer.
                  Ironman 230 - Soft arc with a touch of agressiveness to it. Very good weld puddle wet out. Light spatter producer.


                  PM 180C



                  HH 125 EZ - impressive little fluxcore only unit

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                  • #10
                    You did good price-wise, Dan. Way better than 350 clams. That is just wrong.

                    I have looked at the V/A chart. Not sure why, but that one crosses my eyes. Must be because of the three overlapping ranges. Dunno why, but I just have a hard time reading that one. May have to look at it again, though. I printed it out...its around here somewhere.

                    I don't have any HB-28 at all now. Crawler sold me a roll of QA-6 when he was here. That stuff is nice in the Esab. All my other wires throw tons of BB's. The Pinnacle was a little better than some, but it was still spatter city. Just couldn't seem to clean it up. The .045 Radnor was pretty rough, too. The absolute worst was the Thermal S-6. It was so bad, I had to take the grinder to the table a couple of times to clean all the BB's off. Running on high inductance helped some wires calm down as did the C-8. I still have lots of experimenting to do. Good thing I picked up more 1/4 strips.

                    You ordered the meter...I ordered the pulser. Lets see who gets theirs first.
                    Don


                    Go Spurs Go!!!!!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dda52 View Post
                      You ordered the meter...I ordered the pulser. Lets see who gets theirs first.

                      Woohoo!! Pulser came in today's mail!!!
                      Don


                      Go Spurs Go!!!!!!

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                      • #12
                        Don,

                        I'm still waiting on the meter.

                        Airgas has placed the order with ESAB.

                        My salesman said he's going to talk with the local ESAB rep on Monday to see what going on. Both Airgas salesman had nothing but praises for the local ESAB rep. I can't repeat on here how they felt about the local Miller rep.

                        Work has decided to wait until after January first to add a new TIG unit, so I asked for a price quote on a Syncro 200. I have a feeling my boss will be very pleased with the $1845 quote I was given. This price is with the running gear package. For the home shop I 'm somewhat intrigued with the Diversion 165 . $1166 seems like a a fairly good price for it.
                        Dan
                        Senior Member
                        Last edited by Dan; 12-27-2008, 01:30 PM.
                        MigMaster 250- Smooth arc with a good touch of softness to it. Good weld puddle wetout. Light spatter producer.
                        Ironman 230 - Soft arc with a touch of agressiveness to it. Very good weld puddle wet out. Light spatter producer.


                        PM 180C



                        HH 125 EZ - impressive little fluxcore only unit

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Dan,

                          I definitely would not recommend the Diversion 165 for you. Not nearly enough adjustment for you to play/experiment with.

                          To me that machine is for the newbe, who's not willing to put forth the effort to really understand the tig welding process. That's why they include a copy of "TIG WELDING FOR DUMMIES".
                          SundownIII

                          Syncrowave 250DX, Tigrunner
                          Dynasty 200 DX w/CM 3
                          MM 251 w/30 A SG
                          HH 187 Mig
                          XMT 304 w/714D Feeder & Optima Pulser
                          Dialarc 250 w/HF 15-1
                          Hypertherm PM 1250 Plasma
                          Victor, Harris, and Smith O/A
                          PC Dry Cut Saw and (just added) Wilton (7x12) BS
                          Mil Mod 6370-21 Metal Cut Saw
                          More grinders than hands (Makita & Dewalt)
                          Grizzly 6"x48" Belt Sander
                          Access to full fab shop w/CNC Plasma & Waterjet
                          Gas mixers (Smith(2) and Thermco)
                          Miller BWE and BWE Dig

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Dan View Post
                            Don,

                            My salesman said he's going to talk with the local ESAB rep on Monday to see what going on. Both Airgas salesman had nothing but praises for the local ESAB rep. I can't repeat on here how they felt about the local Miller rep.
                            I know those reps. and up here they are both liked real well. In fact they like each other too.
                            Esab 2200 AC/DC
                            Thermal 211i
                            Thermal Pee-wee 85s
                            Smith O/A plus mini torch
                            Smith machine torch
                            LN-25 pro
                            LF-72 feeder
                            Edwards 65 ton
                            5X10 CNC table
                            Victor A-120
                            Miller Shopmate 300DX
                            S-74D feeder




                            Remember good judgment comes from experience, experience comes from bad judgment.

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                            • #15
                              Sounds familiar, Dan. They just now got around to billing me for my meter.
                              Don


                              Go Spurs Go!!!!!!

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