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    Guys,
    I am thinking of upgrading my HH175. Most often it's sheetmetal that I'm welding, but more often lately I've been welding 1/4" sq tube and some 1/2" T welds for various "machines" I'm constructing.

    I can afford to spend a thousand bucks and am thinking of either the message board favorite - HH210 or a used Miller such as an MM200 or a MM Vintage. For example I've seen a Vintage come up locally, looks almost unused with tank for under a grand.
    I'd certainly never be wanting for power with an MM200/vintage, but would the HH210 make more sense for a weekend warrior?
    HH210
    2 Smith Airline outfits, 2 Harris 50s,2 W200s ,J27, Meco Midget and Dillon
    Thermal Arc 185

  • #2
    Ken,

    Even at the hobbyist level, if I was looking for a wire unit for 1/2" and thinner, a HH 210 wouldn't be at the top of my list. I like the HH 210 when the usage will mostly be 1/4" and thinner.


    The age of a MM 200 would more than likely make me shy away from one of them.

    For 1/2" and thinner, on a $1000 budget, used unit like the MM Vintage, a Migmaster 250, or even a MM 210 would be ahead of a HH 210 on my list.
    MigMaster 250- Smooth arc with a good touch of softness to it. Good weld puddle wetout. Light spatter producer.
    Ironman 230 - Soft arc with a touch of agressiveness to it. Very good weld puddle wet out. Light spatter producer.


    PM 180C



    HH 125 EZ - impressive little fluxcore only unit

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    • #3
      Dan,

      1/2" would be once in a blue moon. I only mention it I suppose to justify even mentioning the 250amp machines. And I can't ever see me needing the joint to be structural - just a T-fillet. However, I do see more 1/4" wall sq tube in my future though - framing for various tools. Sheetmetal is still the most important usage.

      I guess I'm really asking - is the HH210 a real solid upgrade over the HH175 for 1/4" steel.

      And - are 250amp machines like the Vintage as capable on sheetmetal as the HH210?

      When I originally bought the HH175, I paid the extra over the 110v unit thinking I would avoid under buying, yet here I am!
      Last edited by kenc; 11-14-2008, 10:40 AM.
      HH210
      2 Smith Airline outfits, 2 Harris 50s,2 W200s ,J27, Meco Midget and Dillon
      Thermal Arc 185

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      • #4
        Ken,

        Compared to the HH 175, the HH 210 is a far better 1/4" unit.

        On sheet metal, A 250 amp machine can be just as good or even better then a smaller machine. It just depends on how well the unit is designed.
        MigMaster 250- Smooth arc with a good touch of softness to it. Good weld puddle wetout. Light spatter producer.
        Ironman 230 - Soft arc with a touch of agressiveness to it. Very good weld puddle wet out. Light spatter producer.


        PM 180C



        HH 125 EZ - impressive little fluxcore only unit

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        • #5
          If you could swing a 250 amp class machine you would be set and never need to upgrade.

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          • #6
            Guys,

            Of the various 250 amp class machines, I know the MM250 has a bad reputation. The MM200, vintage, MM251 have good general reputations.
            As I mentioned, there is a Vintage locally for less than $1000 - looks in great shape, might be able to get it a bit cheaper - maybe $750? No regulator,/flowmeter but they seem available on ebay for $50 or less. I have the tank from my HH175 so no problem there.
            Also, the HH210 is available for about $720 delivered.
            I'm torn between getting something that would never need to be upgraded versus something that is rated as superb on sheetmetal thru 1/4" where 99% of what I'll ever need to do is.

            Any idea, specifically, if the Vintage is a good machine on 18-20ga steel?
            HH210
            2 Smith Airline outfits, 2 Harris 50s,2 W200s ,J27, Meco Midget and Dillon
            Thermal Arc 185

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            • #7
              I have never welded with a Vintage, just the MM-200. My brother-in law has a Vintage and it's been a good machine for him. My friend that sold them still prefers the MM-200 over the Vintage for some reason in the area of arc quality. Same basic transformer as the MM-200? I would buy a MM-200 if it was in really good shape. They are still out there too. I would also gamble on a Vintage at that price. You could try it out and if you don't like it, sell it at a profit. The HH-210 is not a gamble at all. It will just work right out of the box. Pretty good picks and you won't get hurt. I would still lean for a Vintage at that price.
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              • #8
                I agree with Dan and Brand X, get the Vintage. Some specs:

                Rated Output
                200 A at 28 VDC,
                60% Duty Cycle
                250 A at 28 VDC,
                40% Duty Cycle
                Max. Open-
                Circuit Voltage
                42
                Amperage
                Range
                40 – 300
                Amps Input at Rated Output, 60% Duty Cycle, 60 Hz
                200 V 230 V KVA KW
                46 40 9.5 8.3
                Wire Feed Speed
                Low: 90– 670 IPM
                (2.3 –17 m/min)
                Full: 150– 1030 IPM
                (3.9 – 26 m/min)
                Dimensions
                H: 32 in (813 mm)
                W: 19 in (483 mm)
                D: 39 in (991 mm)
                Net
                Weight
                225 lb
                (102 kg
                Last edited by cope; 11-14-2008, 08:18 PM.

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                • #9
                  The Vintage is gone....bummer.

                  Two options. Carry on with my HH175 - although I have quite a bit of 1/4" wall tube to weld and wait for a used 250 class machine or

                  Go for the HH210 knowing that 99% of my usage is sheetmetal to 1/4" and forget about the larger machine.

                  Not a bad option I guess.....
                  HH210
                  2 Smith Airline outfits, 2 Harris 50s,2 W200s ,J27, Meco Midget and Dillon
                  Thermal Arc 185

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