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  • New Hobart 190: Need help knowing how to wire for the Nema 6-50 and breakers...

    I recently purchased a Hobart 190. I'm new to the trade and I intend to set this all up outside in my garage.

    Here's my current configuration:

    1.) My main breaker panel is fed from the utility a 200A service.
    2.) The 100A garage sub-panel is fed from the main panel in the house using a single Square D double-60 breaker.
    3.) The sub-panel has 3 individual 20A breakers currently occupying slots and used for the current garage power (i.e. - lights, power tools, garage door, etc.). From what I understand from the research I've done, I need a double-30 breaker to be inserted into the furthest 2 open slots to get 220V service going for this welder.

    I also need 14 gauge wire, but I'm confused as to whether this constitutes the need of 10/2 or 10/3... My total run length will be around 15 feet in the garage from the sub-panel.

    In an effort to wire the garage on my own, I'm trying to do my research before doing anything. As you can imagine, there's a lot of information out there to weed through, especially for someone like me. That said, I've come to understand that the NEMA 6-50 plug I need for this has to be wired with a ground, a neutral, and a hot. Correct?

    So what kind of wire do I need to go buy and what kind of breaker do I need to insert into the sub-panel? I plan on making a run to Menard's for everything later today but if I can figure those 2 things out, I think I can handle the rest.

    Thanks in advance.

  • #2
    Don't be in a rush to buy anything until you learn a little more. Do NOT run 14 gauge wire for a 30 Amp breaker. 10 gauge, 2 conductor with ground should do. NEMA 6-50 takes two "hots" - two conductors, and a ground as it's 240 Volts.
    Last edited by usmcpop; 02-23-2019, 02:23 PM.
    --- RJL ----------------------------------------------

    Ordinarily I'm insane, but I have lucid moments when I'm merely stupid.
    -------------------------
    DialArc 250 (1974), Idealarc 250 (1971), SyncroWave 250 w/Coolmate 3, SP-175+, TA 161STL,
    Lincwelder AC180C (circa 1952), Victor & Smith's O/A, Dayton (Miller) spot welder, 1200 sq.ft. of garage filled with crap and a kid that can actually run the stuff +++

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    • #3
      Thanks for clarification on the wires (and the good advice).

      I feel pretty stupid when it comes to this stuff but I'll make sure to use the 10/2, which makes sense now thinking about it from it being the wire that has 2 hots and a ground... It also clears up how everything works with the plug and the double-30 I'll be putting into the sub-panel.

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      • #4
        Well, to clarify, the #14 on a 30A breaker is technically fine and legal for a welding machine dedicated circuit, but it's such a short run, that it isn't that much more to do it with #10 wire and then the circuit is allowed to be used for anything else in the future, too, and won't ever confuse anyone.

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        • #5
          Thanks for the info, Mac. I went and bought a 25 foot length of 10/2 for this just awhile ago at my local Menards. I think I have everything I need now. I just need to cut into the stupid OSB wall where this is all being done to fish everything into the sub-panel because I tried to use my little snake tool to fish the new wire through the wall but even that got caught on something, so needless to say, I'm just going to have to cool off and come back at it again tomorrow morning with a better demeanor and my jigsaw! Ugh, this stuff can be so frustrating sometimes.

          Anyway, I just left everything where it was and decided to come inside for some grub and a good night's rest. We all know it's not good to work on things like this when you're pissed off. Stupid wires... They always get the best of me.

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          • #6
            I fish wires into walls for a living. There are some that just refuse it. And there are some that just actively fight back...

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            • #7
              I pulled about 300 ft of wire for about 2 dozen circuits in my addition. Had to go through the laminated joists between the garage ceiling and the rooms above. Up the ladder, pull a few feet. Move the ladder, pull a few more feet. No helper. Repeat 100 times. I'm sick of ladders.
              --- RJL ----------------------------------------------

              Ordinarily I'm insane, but I have lucid moments when I'm merely stupid.
              -------------------------
              DialArc 250 (1974), Idealarc 250 (1971), SyncroWave 250 w/Coolmate 3, SP-175+, TA 161STL,
              Lincwelder AC180C (circa 1952), Victor & Smith's O/A, Dayton (Miller) spot welder, 1200 sq.ft. of garage filled with crap and a kid that can actually run the stuff +++

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              • #8
                I put my outlet just below my breaker box and bought an extension cord. I went by what my owners manual from Hobart said I needed for the 210.

                Had a licensed electrician inspect it.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by odis View Post
                  ... Had a licensed electrician inspect it.
                  I read a book or two on home wiring and consulted with a licensed electrician before I wired my addition. He spec'd the panel & etc. I had him run the 2/0 aluminum wires from the main panel to the 100A sub-panel (a 200A Cutler-Hammer main panel with CH breakers) and do the final breaker connections there - it's a work of art. I was just the grunt drilling, pulling wires and connecting outlets, switches and fixtures (mostly Pass & Seymour). I did have years of prior experience with electronics and electrical metering, so I wasn't a total newbie. The addition was about 1800 sq. ft. and cost about $50,000. (and I was the prime contractor). I didn't cheap out. Nor did I use those stab-in connections on any switches or outlets.


                  Last edited by usmcpop; 02-27-2019, 03:36 PM.
                  --- RJL ----------------------------------------------

                  Ordinarily I'm insane, but I have lucid moments when I'm merely stupid.
                  -------------------------
                  DialArc 250 (1974), Idealarc 250 (1971), SyncroWave 250 w/Coolmate 3, SP-175+, TA 161STL,
                  Lincwelder AC180C (circa 1952), Victor & Smith's O/A, Dayton (Miller) spot welder, 1200 sq.ft. of garage filled with crap and a kid that can actually run the stuff +++

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