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    It has probably been discussed here before, but I ran across a discussion of the terms on another forum. I researched a wee bit, and discovered several references to "welder" as a person dating from 1898 to the late 1920's. No mention of "weldor" as the person doing the welding. Hmmm...
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    Originally posted by usmcpop View Post
    It has probably been discussed here before, but I ran across a discussion of the terms on another forum. I researched a wee bit, and discovered several references to "welder" as a person dating from 1898 to the late 1920's. No mention of "weldor" as the person doing the welding. Hmmm...
    Contrer mon frer it has been discussed several years ago...there are a few dictionaries that recognize "weldor", and I think AWS does , too now.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by usmcpop View Post
      It has probably been discussed here before, but I ran across a discussion of the terms on another forum. I researched a wee bit, and discovered several references to "welder" as a person dating from 1898 to the late 1920's. No mention of "weldor" as the person doing the welding. Hmmm...
      Lincoln's 'Procedure Handbook of Arc Welding' calls the person doing the welding as a 'weldor' and that's what I was taught .... but that was 'back in the day'.

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      • #4
        Technically it is Welder

        "or" would be for for when base words ends in "ate"

        So Weld is Welder

        Create is Creator

        A Lincoln welder is not a machine but rather a President that did some welding

        ....but for practical purposes on Forums, "Welder" is used to describe the Machine and "Weldor" is the person operating the machine.
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        • #5
          I guess I'll have to cite sources, etc., and let you all judge. I'm talking about actual full-text welding books and technical encyclopedias from these ages. My suspicion is that "weldor" may have come about AFTER the advent of electric welding when they finally had a "welder", or was perhaps an English term or just a misspelling. Before that, welders had only torches, forges and perhaps thermite to make a weld. I think the "electric welding apparatus" or whatever may have been shortened to "welder", and that the "weldor" spelling could have been coined at that time.

          Anyone have any historical references to "weldor"?
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          • #6
            I will have to say that a "weldor" is a person and a "welder" is a machine.
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            • #7
              This is a good example of why I never learned how to spell very well,,thingy

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              • #8
                Yeah, well I've done a lot of welding with my welder but it never made me feel quite like this:

                The Weldor's Weld
                by Sonia Balcer 8/21/82

                Wherefore must I wear a mask when
                I hold in my hand, the pen
                wherewith I write poetry with fire?

                How I long to discover the secrets that are hidden
                in the theater before me;
                to behold the movement of tiny, metal
                particles, as they waltz and interlock
                in a world within a world;
                as they pirouette between the boundaries set
                by the fire which frees them to move.

                Oh, Lord in heaven! Why are not human eyes made
                to see this wonder directly?
                Must I always hold this dark glass before me?

                Hark! He causes my heart, to see the mystery!
                The metals are assaulted, by electric energy,
                carried by heaving, heavy wires. In a molten flash,
                I see the crystals breaking, and sighing;
                the silent order of the solid surface, giving way
                to rushing, hotly-radiant tides
                that crash together like waves at a beach.

                It swirls before me, an intricate dance
                which I cannot see, but yet feel inside.

                I delight to caress the molten piece
                in my heart.
                It is inside of me, and I am inside of it.
                I slowly feel over and underneath
                the hot liquid surfaces.
                I move into its every contour, and through
                the whole of it.

                Bodies of metal, which once were separate;
                the boundaries are fading.
                It swirls and whirlpools within me-
                It is all blurred now, caught
                Into a quickly-freezing body of what once
                was separate, but now is together,

                a single piece.


                Ahhh ..... to be a weldor welding with my welder

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by scapegoat View Post
                  I will have to say that a "weldor" is a person and a "welder" is a machine.
                  Especially on this forum, where the two would be used in the same sentence. Avoids confusion.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dbl_0 View Post
                    Yeah, well I've done a lot of welding with my welder but it never made me feel quite like this:

                    The Weldor's Weld
                    by Sonia Balcer 8/21/82

                    Wherefore must I wear a mask when
                    I hold in my hand, the pen
                    wherewith I write poetry with fire?

                    How I long to discover the secrets that are hidden
                    in the theater before me;
                    to behold the movement of tiny, metal
                    particles, as they waltz and interlock
                    in a world within a world;
                    as they pirouette between the boundaries set
                    by the fire which frees them to move.

                    Oh, Lord in heaven! Why are not human eyes made
                    to see this wonder directly?
                    Must I always hold this dark glass before me?

                    Hark! He causes my heart, to see the mystery!
                    The metals are assaulted, by electric energy,
                    carried by heaving, heavy wires. In a molten flash,
                    I see the crystals breaking, and sighing;
                    the silent order of the solid surface, giving way
                    to rushing, hotly-radiant tides
                    that crash together like waves at a beach.

                    It swirls before me, an intricate dance
                    which I cannot see, but yet feel inside.

                    I delight to caress the molten piece
                    in my heart.
                    It is inside of me, and I am inside of it.
                    I slowly feel over and underneath
                    the hot liquid surfaces.
                    I move into its every contour, and through
                    the whole of it.

                    Bodies of metal, which once were separate;
                    the boundaries are fading.
                    It swirls and whirlpools within me-
                    It is all blurred now, caught
                    Into a quickly-freezing body of what once
                    was separate, but now is together,

                    a single piece.


                    Ahhh ..... to be a weldor welding with my welder
                    It don't rhyme...what's up with that?
                    Arcin' and sparkin', Rocky D <><
                    Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.
                    IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THANK A TEACHER...
                    IF YOU'RE READING THIS IN ENGLISH, THANK A SOLDIER!

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                    • #11
                      The Welder's Weld

                      Dzzzt. Dzzzt. Dzzzt, Dzzzt, Dzzzt.

                      Dzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzztttt. Dzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzztttt. Bang, bang, bang, chip, chip.

                      You owe me $50.

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                      It's Haiku - doesn't need to rhyme.
                      --- RJL ----------------------------------------------

                      Ordinarily I'm insane, but I have lucid moments when I'm merely stupid.
                      -------------------------
                      DialArc 250 (1974), Idealarc 250 (1971), SyncroWave 250 w/Coolmate 3, SP-175+, TA 161STL,
                      Lincwelder AC180C (circa 1952), Victor & Smith's O/A, Dayton (Miller) spot welder, 1200 sq.ft. of garage filled with crap and a kid that can actually run the stuff +++

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Rocky D View Post
                        Especially on this forum, where the two would be used in the same sentence. Avoids confusion.
                        Yep, I agree. As for the 'The Weldor's Weld' and not being a rhyme, well ..... I'm wondering what she was smoking while she wrote it ..... 10-4

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dbl_0 View Post
                          Yep, I agree. As for the 'The Weldor's Weld' and not being a rhyme, well ..... I'm wondering what she was smoking while she wrote it ..... 10-4
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by usmcpop View Post
                            The Welder's Weld

                            Dzzzt. Dzzzt. Dzzzt, Dzzzt, Dzzzt.

                            Dzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzztttt. Dzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzztttt. Bang, bang, bang, chip, chip.

                            You owe me $50.
                            thats pretty funny.

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                            • #15
                              Ive seen Belt buckles that have read both...I've always called the man (or woman)a welder aswell as the machine. Weldor wasn't a registered word on my spell check!
                              Jonesy

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